Onluk - Mahmud II: Can anyone read the Arabic script?

Hello, community!

I have two coins which I believe are both onoluk from the time of Mahmud II (Ottoman Empire). I can read the year (1223) but I cannot find the other number in order to log my coins onto numista properly. I thought I saw numbers on the top photo, third line, which I thought are either 7 and 1 or 70 and 10 (following the path of logic in my mind and what I know numbers look like), but on numista, the close available options are 7 and 10. Can anyone actually read the whole text and tell me if there are other numbers, what and where they are?




Thank you so much!

I can't read Arabic, but your coins do appear to match the onluk of Mahmud II in the Numista listing cited. I think your regnal years are probably one and seven. Year one is not listed in Numista, but the Numista coin shown is from year 2, which is also not listed, so I don't think the list is comprehensive. I think in this case the dot afterwards is ornamental, not a zero (it appears on all the coins). You should confirm that the diameter is 23 mm and the weights are a little less than 3.2 g (because of the holes).

I would be cautious because there are many imitations of this general type of coin that have been used as clothing ornaments ("belly dancer tokens") and the holes suggest that they were used that way. However, as far as I can tell your coins seem to have the proper calligraphy and detail to be authentic.

Partially reading of the obverse (Tughra is likely his signature)
ضرب في قنسطنطينة
Minted in Constantine

Mehmed II conquered Constantine

Sultan al bareen wa Khagan al bahrain.
Ruler of the lands and emperor of the seas

Sultan ibn e Sultan
Sultan son of a Sultan

Цитата: "Seeker55"​I can't read Arabic, but your coins do appear to match the onluk of Mahmud II in the Numista listing cited. I think your regnal years are probably one and seven. Year one is not listed in Numista, but the Numista coin shown is from year 2, which is also not listed, so I don't think the list is comprehensive. I think in this case the dot afterwards is ornamental, not a zero (it appears on all the coins). You should confirm that the diameter is 23 mm and the weights are a little less than 3.2 g (because of the holes).
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​I would be cautious because there are many imitations of this general type of coin that have been used as clothing ornaments ("belly dancer tokens") and the holes suggest that they were used that way. However, as far as I can tell your coins seem to have the proper calligraphy and detail to be authentic.

​Thank you so much for this!!

I found one coin that looked this way that was specifically used for clothing ornaments. I knew because it was empty on one side. It was a very sad moment for me when I saw this, haha.

Цитата: "numi_nabs"​Sultan al bareen wa Khagan al bahrain.
​Ruler of the lands and emperor of the seas
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​Sultan ibn e Sultan
​Sultan son of a Sultan

​Thank you so much for this translation!

Do you have a suggestion as to how I should log the coins onto here, any numbers on them regarding the mint?

Your coins look similar but they are two different types:



When you look closer to the obverse, you'll see the difference in the shape of the flower to the right of the toughra (red circles), in the lower part of the toughra (green circles), in the placement of the toughra (green arrows), in the placement of some of the dots (red circles), etc. On the reverse you also see some difference in shape and placement of the lettering. Your coin to the left is KM# 559 (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces62676.html), your coin to the right is KM# 553.

You can also see the regnal year, like you thought 7 for the left coin, 1 for the right coin. The reason why you couldn't find your coin here on Numista is because of the mistake in Numista. The pictures of the KM# 553 are not correct: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces111475.html. That's a picture of a KM# 595: https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/ottoman-empire/mahmud-ii-1808-1839/10-para-1839-ah122332-30281. Here are the pictures of the KM# 553, with date 1223 and regnal years 1 and 2:

Цитата: "Seeker55"I think your regnal years are probably one and seven. Year one is not listed in Numista, but the Numista coin shown is from year 2, which is also not listed, so I don't think the list is comprehensive.

​The regnal year on the Numista coin is not 2 but 7:



What you thought to be regnal year 2 is just part of the lettering under the regnal year. I understand your mistake because of the narrowing in the lettering (red arrow) but I think you can clearly see on OP's picture it's just part of the lettering:

Цитата: "Essor Prof"​Your coins look similar but they are two different types:
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​When you look closer to the obverse, you'll see the difference in the shape of the flower to the right of the toughra (red circles), in the lower part of the toughra (green circles), in the placement of the toughra (green arrows), in the placement of some of the dots (red circles), etc. On the reverse you also see some difference in shape and placement of the lettering. Your coin to the left is KM# 559 (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces62676.html), your coin to the right is KM# 553.
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​You can also see the regnal year, like you thought 7 for the left coin, 1 for the right coin. The reason why you couldn't find your coin here on Numista is because of the mistake in Numista. The pictures of the KM# 553 are not correct: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces111475.html. That's a picture of a KM# 595: https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/ottoman-empire/mahmud-ii-1808-1839/10-para-1839-ah122332-30281. Here are the pictures of the KM# 553, with date 1223 and regnal years 1 and 2:
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​Thank you so so much for this detailed response! This was really helpful and enlightening!
I now realised now to put so much blind trust in what's listed on Numista, haha.