I note that UK shillings and UK florins or two-shilling pieces remained legal tender after decimalisation in 1971, being demonetised only at the end of 1990 and in June 1993 respectively, circulating in the interim beside five- and ten-pence pieces of identical value and dimensions to the two older denominations.
Please, can any British contributors to this site remember the last time they actually had a shilling or florin in their change?
(I appreciate some years have passed - I live in the United Kingdom, but was a small boy myself in the early Nineties and cannot remember).
My dad collected U.K. coins in the 70s and can remember the sixpences, Shillings and florins being used but they kinda disappeared by the early to mid 80s.
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Worldwide Collection, that is interesting; thank you.
If anyone else can recall a specific occasion they received a shilling or two-shilling piece towards the end of the period they were legal tender, or have any other nostalgic recollection of these coins in circulation, I would be interested.
Цитата: "Duncan Graham"Worldwide Collection, that is interesting; thank you.
If anyone else can recall a specific occasion they received a shilling or two-shilling piece towards the end of the period they were legal tender, or have any other nostalgic recollection of these coins in circulation, I would be interested.
Thank you.
June of 1977 my grandfather was going on a trip around Europe and finished in the UK after being saved by the British Consulate in Sofia after having his passport stollen by the goverment ( Political reasons ). after having a charted flight from Sofia to Germany and then to London. while leaving London for canada he withdrew a pound in Uk coins and received a florin, a shilling some more modern coins of the era like 5 pennies and new pence coins. have a whole collection from him and his travels around Europe. The funny part was in bulgaria becuase of there command economy every thing was artificialy cheap like a meal cost 5lev or a hotel cost 20lev a night and the exchange rate from cad to lev was about 150 lev to cad. my grandfather who at the time was still new to canada in the 70's only brought 10 dollars and was treated like a king in the eastern world since his money was increased in each command economy he visited.
Цитата: "Duncan Graham"Worldwide Collection, that is interesting; thank you.
If anyone else can recall a specific occasion they received a shilling or two-shilling piece towards the end of the period they were legal tender, or have any other nostalgic recollection of these coins in circulation, I would be interested.
Thank you.
No he can’t remember an exact date but like I said earlier they kinda disappeared in the 80s.
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I spent six days in London in the summer of 1988 and was very surprised to get a late 40s (George VI) copper-nickel shilling in my change. I knew that some of those pre-decimal coins were still legal tender and noticed that it was identical in size to the current 5 (new) pence coins.
The florin was circulating as 10 new pence, but I don't remember getting one.
Цитата: "jimpop"in the early 1990s before they changed Size. I did find a 1947 shilling masquerading as a 10p in the till at work last ywar though 😂
My goodness - the 1947 shilling and the reduced-size 10 p piece would be almost the same weight and diameter, wouldn't they? Fascinating that someone tried to "spend" the shilling, even now!
Цитата: "Camerinvs"I spent six days in London in the summer of 1988 and was very surprised to get a late 40s (George VI) copper-nickel shilling in my change. I knew that some of those pre-decimal coins were still legal tender and noticed that it was identical in size to the current 5 (new) pence coins.
The florin was circulating as 10 new pence, but I don't remember getting one.
jimpop, you mean a 5p?
Camerinvs, thank you for telling me a few shillings - or at least, the one you got in your change - were still about in 1988.
I am nearly 72 now and grew up with £.s.p and still find Decimal Coinage very Bland and not that interesting a bit like the Euro though I do like the Coinage in Silver as it has Depth and Definition.
The 2' (Florin) was withdrawn in 1993 though none where minted after 1970 though at the end there weren't many about today you can find them in Cupro Nickle in Abundance on eBay and in Auction Lots they are not Rare at all regarding the Size people could be fooled by the old 1' (Shilling) as it had a Diameter of 23.8mm and Width of 1.8mm and the new 10p is 24.5mm with a Width of 2.1mm so not a lot in it.
Looking at the New Coinage I find the Silver Issue 10p,5p,2p and 1p very nice coins the 2p and 1p being the ones that are hard to Find but all these are the ones to look for not the so Called rare ones you find on eBay that are Supposedly made of Nickle as most are Plated 10p and 2p Pieces so don't be Fooled they are not Rare.
Ian.
Цитата: "BCNumismatics"Ireland also had the 1 Shilling circulating as 5 Pence & the 2 Shillings circulating as 10 Pence, just like in the U.K..
This ceased to occur in 1992 for the 1 Shilling & in 1993 for the 10 Pence.
Apparently, you can still find Irish 1 Penny coins in change today being mistaken for 5 Euro Cents.
I think you can still get Irish 1 Penny & 2 Pence coins turning up in change in the U.K..
Aidan.
Thank you, Aidan, that is very interesting.
I have a few old Irish coins tucked away my father passed on to me. You have prompted me to look at them.
I am not British, but we had a similar system here in New Zealand.
Our old 6d, 1/- and 2/- coins were the same size and metal (1947 onwards) as the modern 5c, 10c, 20c of the 1967 - 2006 decimal coins and we would often find these coins in our change up to 2006.
Nearly always it was a 1964 or 1965 dated coin, but occasionally ones back to 1950 or even 1947 would be found. I only ever found 1 silver coin, a worn 1942 shilling on Sep 30 2006, the last day these coins were allowed and I was bombarded with them at my shop at the time.
We also surprisingly got a lot of the Australian 5c, 10c and 20c in our change and I believe the Aussies still find our old coins in their change too, as they still use the old fashioned coins today. They don't get their own 6d, 1/- and 2/- in change though (Although on CCF, one guy got an 1885 UK 1 shilling coin in his change recently) as they were silver right through, ours went to muck metal in 1947.
Because the coins were muck metal, they lost nothing but buying value in the 1967 to 2006 period. After all a shilling was still worth 10 cents. Of course a shilling would have brought you more in 1947 than 10 cents did in 2005!
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Цитата: "Moneytane"I am not British, but we had a similar system here in New Zealand.
Our old 6d, 1/- and 2/- coins were the same size and metal (1947 onwards) as the modern 5c, 10c, 20c of the 1967 - 2006 decimal coins and we would often find these coins in our change up to 2006.
Nearly always it was a 1964 or 1965 dated coin, but occasionally ones back to 1950 or even 1947 would be found. I only ever found 1 silver coin, a worn 1942 shilling on Sep 30 2006, the last day these coins were allowed and I was bombarded with them at my shop at the time.
We also surprisingly got a lot of the Australian 5c, 10c and 20c in our change and I believe the Aussies still find our old coins in their change too, as they still use the old fashioned coins today. They don't get their own 6d, 1/- and 2/- in change though (Although on CCF, one guy got an 1885 UK 1 shilling coin in his change recently) as they were silver right through, ours went to muck metal in 1947.
Because the coins were muck metal, they lost nothing but buying value in the 1967 to 2006 period. After all a shilling was still worth 10 cents. Of course a shilling would have brought you more in 1947 than 10 cents did in 2005!
New Zealand was a numismatists' paradise until 2006 - since 2006, it has been a numismatists' desert.
I remember getting coins from Fiji almost as often from Australia in change.
I can remember getting a couple of British 1 Shilling coins in change for 10 Cents & a 10 New Pence in change for 20 Cents.
Цитата: "Moneytane"I am not British, but we had a similar system here in New Zealand.
Our old 6d, 1/- and 2/- coins were the same size and metal (1947 onwards) as the modern 5c, 10c, 20c of the 1967 - 2006 decimal coins and we would often find these coins in our change up to 2006.
Nearly always it was a 1964 or 1965 dated coin, but occasionally ones back to 1950 or even 1947 would be found. I only ever found 1 silver coin, a worn 1942 shilling on Sep 30 2006, the last day these coins were allowed and I was bombarded with them at my shop at the time.
We also surprisingly got a lot of the Australian 5c, 10c and 20c in our change and I believe the Aussies still find our old coins in their change too, as they still use the old fashioned coins today. They don't get their own 6d, 1/- and 2/- in change though (Although on CCF, one guy got an 1885 UK 1 shilling coin in his change recently) as they were silver right through, ours went to muck metal in 1947.
Because the coins were muck metal, they lost nothing but buying value in the 1967 to 2006 period. After all a shilling was still worth 10 cents. Of course a shilling would have brought you more in 1947 than 10 cents did in 2005!
New Zealand was a numismatists' paradise until 2006 - since 2006, it has been a numismatists' desert.
I remember getting coins from Fiji almost as often from Australia in change.
I can remember getting a couple of British 1 Shilling coins in change for 10 Cents & a 10 New Pence in change for 20 Cents.
Aidan.
we get alot of commonwealth coins in canada as 5,10 and 25 cent coins. often I find Fiji coins as dimes or nickels. alot of British 10p coins as quarters
Цитата: "Moneytane"I am not British, but we had a similar system here in New Zealand.
Our old 6d, 1/- and 2/- coins were the same size and metal (1947 onwards) as the modern 5c, 10c, 20c of the 1967 - 2006 decimal coins and we would often find these coins in our change up to 2006.
Nearly always it was a 1964 or 1965 dated coin, but occasionally ones back to 1950 or even 1947 would be found. I only ever found 1 silver coin, a worn 1942 shilling on Sep 30 2006, the last day these coins were allowed and I was bombarded with them at my shop at the time.
We also surprisingly got a lot of the Australian 5c, 10c and 20c in our change and I believe the Aussies still find our old coins in their change too, as they still use the old fashioned coins today. They don't get their own 6d, 1/- and 2/- in change though (Although on CCF, one guy got an 1885 UK 1 shilling coin in his change recently) as they were silver right through, ours went to muck metal in 1947.
Because the coins were muck metal, they lost nothing but buying value in the 1967 to 2006 period. After all a shilling was still worth 10 cents. Of course a shilling would have brought you more in 1947 than 10 cents did in 2005!
New Zealand was a numismatists' paradise until 2006 - since 2006, it has been a numismatists' desert.
I remember getting coins from Fiji almost as often from Australia in change.
I can remember getting a couple of British 1 Shilling coins in change for 10 Cents & a 10 New Pence in change for 20 Cents.
Aidan.
we get alot of commonwealth coins in canada as 5,10 and 25 cent coins. often I find Fiji coins as dimes or nickels. alot of British 10p coins as quarters
Canada is a numismatists' paradise - but heaps of commemorative coins are in circulation, just like there is in Australia.
Цитата: "legoww"we get alot of commonwealth coins in canada as 5,10 and 25 cent coins. often I find Fiji coins as dimes or nickels. a lot of British 10p coins as quarters
Interesting. Perhaps because I live in the north, I never see such coins except twice a UK 5p passed for a 10¢ in the past 10-12 years. About 4 years ago, at my local Tim Horton's, I heard the guys behind the counter talk about a Sacagawea dollar they had just received in payment for coffee.
When I lived in Hamilton, Ontario, not far from the US border, I got to see a lot more US coins than I do now, but there were very, very few coins from any other country.
Until the 1990s, one occasionally got a French 20 centimes as change in vending machines because it was identical in size to the 25¢. Some people knew that and were bringing rolls back from France. 20 centimes were about the same as 5¢. This wouldn't work now because vending machines go by composition rather than size and weight.
Цитата: "BCNumismatics"
Canada is a numismatists' paradise - but heaps of commemorative coins are in circulation, just like there is in Australia.
Have you ever found coins from Ireland in change?
Aidan.
yes, a 10p as a nickel and a 5p as a dime... tho very rare.
Цитата: "Camerinvs"Interesting. Perhaps because I live in the north, I never see such coins except twice a UK 5p passed for a 10¢ in the past 10-12 years. About 4 years ago, at my local Tim Horton's, I heard the guys behind the counter talk about a Sacagawea dollar they had just received in payment for coffee.
Until the 1990s, one occasionally got a French 20 centimes as change in vending machines because it was identical in size to the 25¢. Some people knew that and were bringing rolls back from France. 20 centimes were about the same as 5¢. This wouldn't work now because vending machines go by composition rather than size and weight.
in change ive found a Jamaican 5 dollar, Belize , Trinidad, Bahamas 5 cent , Barbados 5 cent, Bermuda 5 cent, Ecuador 5 centavo, Panama centavo and a cayman 10 cent coins as nickles. As quarters anything is possible, personnel ive found Barbados, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Panama, Ecuador, US quarters in rolls/ change, ive also found UK 10p's, Fiji 10 cent, australia 10 cents, UAE 1 dirham, 1 peso coins and syria 5 pounds in change. For dollars ive found a 2p in a roll.... not a good day for me. American coins are verry common and all former British commonwealth coins are also verry common. most people will see a Cayman Islands 25 cent and see that the queen is on it and just say "must be a new issue". Ive found alot of 1 peso coins recently.... ironically they are all dates made in canada , who knows many the RCM is trying to defraud the system. http://www.coinscan.com/for/phi.html
I can but marvel at the age of some of the coins in your collection, looking at the Irish ones, particularly the Charles II 1681 halfpenny and the others from the latter seventeenth century.
The oldest coin in the small batch of Irish coins my father has passed on to me is a 1928 florin (although I have older British ones).
Please excuse my long delay in replying; the coins were in an inaccessible place. Thank you.
With my regards,
Duncan.
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Makes sense though. The first distinctly modern Irish coins were only issued in 1928.
Before that you had medieval and viking Irish coins until 1600 and then a range of copper and silver tokens, siege money and tradesmen tokens sporadically up to 1823 and finally British coinage through to 1928.
The irony being was the "Irish coins" were designed by an Englishman Percy Metcalfe and minted at the Royal Mint in London and later Llantrisant.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Цитата: "Moneytane"Makes sense though. The first distinctly modern Irish coins were only issued in 1928.
Before that you had medieval and viking Irish coins until 1600 and then a range of copper and silver tokens, siege money and tradesmen tokens sporadically up to 1823 and finally British coinage through to 1928.
The irony being was the "Irish coins" were designed by an Englishman Percy Metcalfe and minted at the Royal Mint in London and later Llantrisant.
Even after the decimal changeover in Ireland, some of Percy Metcalfe's designs were recycled - & some put onto different denominations, such as the Woodcock on the 50 Pence & the Horse on the 20 Pence.
Ireland has had a mint in Dublin since 1976 - located in Sandyford on an industrial estate.
Цитата: "Moneytane"Makes sense though. The first distinctly modern Irish coins were only issued in 1928.
Before that you had medieval and viking Irish coins until 1600 and then a range of copper and silver tokens, siege money and tradesmen tokens sporadically up to 1823 and finally British coinage through to 1928.
The irony being was the "Irish coins" were designed by an Englishman Percy Metcalfe and minted at the Royal Mint in London and later Llantrisant.
Even after the decimal changeover in Ireland, some of Percy Metcalfe's designs were recycled - & some put onto different denominations, such as the Woodcock on the 50 Pence & the Horse on the 20 Pence.
Ireland has had a mint in Dublin since 1976 - located in Sandyford on an industrial estate.
Aidan.
Dear Aidan and Moneytane,
Thank you for the interesting details. A shame that when the British coinage was decimalised, the shilling and florin designs were not transferred onto their decimal equivalents - I see, for example, that Percy Metcalfe's salmon is on both the florin and the 10p.
Цитата: "BCNumismatics"Duncan,
The bull that is on the Irish 1 Shilling was also put onto the 5 Pence coin as well.
The Irish 1/- & 2/- remained legal tender as 5 & 10 Pence - like in the U.K..
Aidan.
Thank you, Aidan; that is interesting to know.
Lovely to see the attention to detail in the way the animals are depicted, in the bull's musculature, for example, and the tuft of hair on its underside.
Unlike Ireland, the Brits were updating coin designs every reign or at least every 20 or so years with their coins up to 1971.
This fashion for changing designs every few years goes back to George III's recoinage in 1816, the first head of George III was considered too "bull like" and the senile ruler was offended by it.
Bull Head 1816/17 - Note the obverse
Smaller head 1817/20 - The obverse has changed too. All coins courtesy the Moneytane vaults
This was changed in 1817 to a kinder but still butt ugly portrait (It was quite flattering for the almost octagenarian monarch born in 1738!). But as you see the obverses also changed slightly. This happened less on lower denomination coins.
His son, the ultra vain and foppish George IV changed his coin designs 3 times in 10 years, however the vanity ended with William IV who had grand designs on his crowns and halfcrowns, but a plain wreathed crown on his shillings and down coins.
1836 1883
This design lasted 56 years on the shilling and some 79 years on the sixpence and 95 on the 3d (Slight crown changes from 1887).
Victoria's young coinage also saw the same designs remain on her Halfcrowns and smaller coins through to 1887, however in 1887 the Jubilee coinage saw new designs and then from that point on, we got upgrades every few years.
In 1893, a further round of changes came from the coins from Halfcrown, Florin and Shilling (The crown was only issued 1887 - 1900) and the Gold kept the same St George image - but these coins were in less frequent use than the silver.
Gold and Bronze coins saw few changes, but silver coins, particularly the higher denominations saw frequent changes. The Copper Bronze pennies saw the same Britannia image upgraded in 1821, 1860, 1895 and 1937 - but it was almost the same design merely modernised each time.
In 1902 the coins 2/6, Florin and Shilling got another design upgrade by De Saulles, this one had a few more legs and apart from the Florin which got another change in 1911, this remained through to 1926/27. The Sixpence got the same De Saulles design as the Shilling in 1911 as well retiring the wreathed crown design of 1831/1887.
Then came 1927 and the arrival of the design tornado Kruger Grey, all the coins from Crown (Which was revived briefly) down to 3d got new designs mostly of cruciform shields, lions on crowns, and floral motifs on the 3d/6d). The 3d had its design updated after nearly a century, but the wreathed crown design survived on Maundy coins to this day.
Then the death of KGV in 1936 meant more changes and new designs came out for 1937 and Edward. However these were modified more as he abdicated and George VI became king. The Halfcrown and shilling saw almost no change in design, but others got new designs again with floral motifs. The 3d was also issued in brass and the penny was "Decoised" with new designs on the Farthing and Halfpenny all Kruger Grey. The Bronze kept these designs through to 1970. The gold coins ended in 1932 and sovereigns were minted only for Arabia and collectors sporadically from 1957 onwards with the old St George design from 1817.
Slight modifications came to the coins in 1949 when the Ind, Imp was dropped, the monogram on the 6d coin was simpler and inscriptions on the Halfcrown and Shilling was more basic.
1953 saw new and less nice designs by Cecil Thomas, the new designer of the moment. These designs were pretty basic and ugly. All coins down to 3d got new designs, again the 2/- and 6d had designs reminescent of the 1927 KG Floral ones, but more basic and less pleasing.
Needless to say Christopher Ironside was the man of the moment in the mid 1960s as Britain went decimal and planned it for 1971. The Cecil Thomas designs already looked dated and cluttered by 1967 and new designs came out, again regal and boring but retaining old features and motifs (Lions, crowns, Britannia, portcullises).
Basically the British coins changed due to public taste and earlier on - Monarchical prerogative - Ireland had no kings since independence and the designs of metcalfe, lets face it are nice. Plus bear in mind the bronze coins got new Celtic Designs.
Also the fact that the 20p (Introduced 1985 - but 1986 first common year) and Punt (1990) basically recycled Metcalfe's designs (the horse on the 20p is the Halfcrown one) or a simialr design (Stag on the Punt is similar to Metcalf designs but not him).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Yes but after 1922, they were figureheads and the attitude was they did not care about them much or their opinions.
Ireland had a Governor General between 1922 and 1937 when the Constitution removed him and Ireland was a Republic within the commonwealth - De Valera became the first president and somehow remained in Irish politics through to 1969 when he was nearly 90.
But Aidan is right, Ireland was not fully a republic until November 1949, however the Free State line was dropped in 1937, yet 1937 coins had it and none came out in 1938, so the first Eire coins came out in 1939 using the same harp.
They also changed the watermark on Irish stamps in 1938 from ES (Freestate Eireann) to E (Eire) and definitives of both watermarks vary in price.
Eamonn De Valera the tall guy with glasses at the forefront of the Irish Home Rule Movement was infact a US citizen born in New York in 1882 and he was also half Spanish, his father was and that is where "De Valera" comes from. Just like Gugliemo Marconi is half Irish, his mother was born in Dublin and hence why Marconi was claimed by the British and Irish just like the Italians.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Цитата: "Moneytane"Yes but after 1922, they were figureheads and the attitude was they did not care about them much or their opinions.
Ireland had a Governor General between 1922 and 1937 when the Constitution removed him and Ireland was a Republic within the commonwealth - De Valera became the first president and somehow remained in Irish politics through to 1969 when he was nearly 90.
But Aidan is right, Ireland was not fully a republic until November 1949, however the Free State line was dropped in 1937, yet 1937 coins had it and none came out in 1938, so the first Eire coins came out in 1939 using the same harp.
They also changed the watermark on Irish stamps in 1938 from ES (Freestate Eireann) to E (Eire) and definitives of both watermarks vary in price.
Eamonn De Valera the tall guy with glasses at the forefront of the Irish Home Rule Movement was infact a US citizen born in New York in 1882 and he was also half Spanish, his father was and that is where "De Valera" comes from. Just like Gugliemo Marconi is half Irish, his mother was born in Dublin and hence why Marconi was claimed by the British and Irish just like the Italians.
Eamon de Valera was NOT the first President of Ireland - but he was the first Prime Minister of Ireland from 29 December 1937 until 1948 though.
Douglas Hyde was the first President of Ireland from 1938 to 1945 - but his position had no recognition outside Ireland. His position was essentially a ceremonial figurehead with the same powers as that of the Governors-General of the Irish Free State.
Sean T. O'Kelly from 1945 to 1949 also had no recognition until the declaration of the Republic.
Ireland became a republic on 18 April 1949 - & President O'Kelly became a full head of state replacing King George VI.
The coins dated 1939 to 1948 are coins of the Dominion of Ireland - or King George VI's second coinage for Ireland, as the 1937 Irish Free State coins are King George VI's first coinage for Ireland.
The last time I remember getting a Shilling in circulation was in 1988.
I used to go into the banks and ask for bags of 10p and 5p coins so I could get the Shillings and Florins out of them. Earliest year I got a coin from was 1930.
Цитата: "Hibernia"The last time I remember getting a Shilling in circulation was in 1988.
I used to go into the banks and ask for bags of 10p and 5p coins so I could get the Shillings and Florins out of them. Earliest year I got a coin from was 1930.
Dear Hibernia,
Thank you - that is interesting to have your recollection, just two years before the shilling was demonetized.
That must have been fun, searching through the bags.
In the late 1960's, when I was a teenager, I used to get whatever pocket money I had saved,
and cycle to a row of shops a few miles from home. There were maybe ten businesses in
the row, including three banks - Lloyd's Bank at one end, Barclays Bank at the other, and
National Westminster Bank in the middle; with other shops in between them.
I would go into one bank, hand over say £20 in banknotes and get four £5 bags of
mixed copper-nickel coins (sixpence, shilling, florin). Then behind the shops was a library,
and I used to sit in the area for bicycles for people visiting the library. It was a walled area with
a roof, so protection if it was raining. There I would check each bag, and looked through my
notebook with details of each coin I had, and approximate grade. That way I built up my collection -
and those bags of coins I could immediately tell if they had silver coins in; just shake the bag and the
sound was distinctive. Once the bags were checked, I went into another bank and got notes for
them, then repeated, between the banks.
A year or two later I got a job, in Midland Bank (nowadays HSBC) - and a few
years later became a cashier. Wonderful - taking coins and notes in all day, and checking them all.
At the time (early 1970's) the value of silver coins was going up, and across the road from the bank
was an antique shop - it offered 8 times face value for any silver coin. So a shilling (£0.05) would be
sold for £0.40 thus making £0.35 for just one coin. Multiply that by many coins and it soon added up.
That was only for coins I already had - I automatically kept any Victorian silver, whether I had it
already or not. There were still some around. Such as a Florin (2 Shillings or £0.10) from 1880's which
was say 90 years previous. Happy days.
Цитата: "Hibernia"The last time I remember getting a Shilling in circulation was in 1988.
I used to go into the banks and ask for bags of 10p and 5p coins so I could get the Shillings and Florins out of them. Earliest year I got a coin from was 1930.
Dear Hibernia,
Thank you - that is interesting to have your recollection, just two years before the shilling was demonetized.
That must have been fun, searching through the bags.
With my regards,
Duncan.
Duncan,
Ireland's last large 5 Pence was struck in 1990.
No coins were struck in 1991, but the small 5 Pence was introduced in 1992.
There must have been a period where both the old & new 5 Pence coins circulated together before the large 5 Pence was pulled from circulation.
Here in New Zealand, between July & October 2006 had both old & new coins in circulation, before the old 10, 20, & 50 Cents were pulled from circulation, along with the 5 Cents.
Since October 2006, New Zealand has been a numismatic desert - with only 2 circulating commemorative coins for 50 Cents in 2015 & 2018.
I agree, after receiving the latest group of Australian commem $2 coins and a fresh set of 2022 ones, NZ is the Gobi desert of coins.
Just now they are releasing 2020 dated 20 cent pieces!
The Irish did withdraw their large size 10p and 5p later than the Brits. Also they never withdrew their large size 50p until Euro time. Of course by that stage the coins were no longer made in the UK.
NZ therefore maybe the last place to have Shillings and Florins circulating until Oct 2006. Australia still uses the sizes of the old 6d, 1/- and 2/- on their 5c, 10c, 20c coins - but the Australian series was 50% silver in their sterling era and the silver in a old Florin would be worth around $6 or more, way above the 20c face value. And thus why you are unlikely to see any shillings or Florins in modern Australian coins unless they are Kiwi ones as over there many of the old NZ 5c, 10c and 20c coins are found in their change!
Still one guy on CCF reported finding an 1885 UK shilling in a pile of 10 cent coins recently. This makes sense as before 1910, Australia used British coins.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Цитата: "Moneytane"I agree, after receiving the latest group of Australian commem $2 coins and a fresh set of 2022 ones, NZ is the Gobi desert of coins.
Just now they are releasing 2020 dated 20 cent pieces!
The Irish did withdraw their large size 10p and 5p later than the Brits. Also they never withdrew their large size 50p until Euro time. Of course by that stage the coins were no longer made in the UK.
NZ therefore maybe the last place to have Shillings and Florins circulating until Oct 2006. Australia still uses the sizes of the old 6d, 1/- and 2/- on their 5c, 10c, 20c coins - but the Australian series was 50% silver in their sterling era and the silver in a old Florin would be worth around $6 or more, way above the 20c face value. And thus why you are unlikely to see any shillings or Florins in modern Australian coins unless they are Kiwi ones as over there many of the old NZ 5c, 10c and 20c coins are found in their change!
Still one guy on CCF reported finding an 1885 UK shilling in a pile of 10 cent coins recently. This makes sense as before 1910, Australia used British coins.
Ireland did have coins struck at the Royal Mint even as late as 1999, but it was to help the Irish Mint fill in orders that were put in by the Central Bank of Ireland.
I got a 1954 New Zealand 6d in a roll of Australian 5 cent coins the other day. We often get NZ decimal coins mixed in with Australian ones but that was the first time I have seen a pre-decimal one pop up.
Cheers Mike
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Entirely possible as the 6d, 1/- and 2/- coins circulated with 5, 10 and 20c coins of the old type here until 2006.
The 6d of 1954 was cupronickel and thus had no precious metal value, hence it was still worth 5 cents in our money. Interesting you got 1954 as most of the predecimal ones I remember were 1964 or 1965. Any coin from 1947 onwards was Cupronickel and thus could be found in decimal coins.
None have any real value unless fully Uncirculated or almost so. The average condition is F - VF for most of them.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
My family has a small corner shop in the late 1970s and early 1980s. At that time shillings and florins were still in full circulation as 5p and 10p and i used to look for and lay aside the old silver coins on a daily basis
Having recently disposed of my collections of Scottish Banknotes and Silver Age American comics, I am now returning to a hobby I initially started in the late 1970s, collecting UK shillings from 1707 to 1970
Legally,
as the 1 Crown Churchill commmemorative was not included in the list of demonetization,
It can still circulate at a value of 25 pence.
Also here in Canada I sometimes find 100 Won Korea as a 25 cents, and I swa a post above about the Bermudan dollars found.
I did find some, probably because people here in Toronto go to Bermuda in winter and bring back Bermudan coins, which circulate in Bermuda at a rate of 1:1 to the US dollar.
Цитата: "Cody404"Legally, as the 1 Crown Churchill commemorative was not included in the list of demonetization, it can still circulate at a value of 25 pence.
But the Churchill crown is non-circulating. Is it usual for non-circulating coins to be demonetized?
Or wasn't it indirectly demonetized by the fact that the old Sterling was demonetized?
Asking out of interest since I have never had to think about this question. We have no demonetized coins here in Canada, so we don't have any experience with such situations.
By the way, our avalanche of NCLTs is a different case. It can be refused by the banks or anyone even though it is "legal tender" (LT), but from what I understand, it must be accepted as payment of debt settled by a court of law. So, if I sue someone for failure of payment and win, the guilty party can pay me with his Daffy Duck $20/$20 if he has nothing else.
A few weeks ago I acquired a coin collection which hasn’t been touched since the early 90s and the person who had this made cards for each denomination up to 5ps.
Pennies went from 1971-1989 and the twopences from 1971-1988. Meanwhile for the 5ps the small date run is from 1955-1990 so I assume these homemade stew were made in the middle of 1990 because the small 5p was released in June 1990 and the larger coins circulated alongside them until December 1990 so these coins below must have been acquired via change to make this little homemade set between June and December 1990.
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I have a very specific memory aged about 9 in 1990, when the old five pence coins were withdrawn. As a child coin collector, I asked in Wetherby Co-Op, after it had been announced that the new, smaller 5p was coming, if they could exchange my few pounds of pocket money into pre decimal 5ps (ie shilling coins). I can still remember the bemused but helpful person on the till doing this for me. I no longer have the coins so they probably went the way of all the florins and shillings I endeavoured to save from my pocket- being spent!
Nowadays as a side hassle I buy large quantities of old 5p, 10p, 50p and £1 coins from collecotr contacts abroad. My local Nationwide takes them all- but not the shillings and florins, despite them widely circulating up until 1990 and 1992 respectively as 5 and 10p coins.
Thank you for your kind recollection; it is interesting that the shop staff had that much pre-decimal currency to hand just before the withdrawal of the shilling.
Unfortunately, I was only six years old at the end of December 1990 when the shilling went out, and did not become interested in coins for almost another decade, so have no memory of it.
(Welcome to Numista, by the way - I've just realised that is your first post!)
, who knows many the RCM is trying to defraud the system. 
