India gold fanam coins (2 questions)

question 1 - are these counterfeits? if so, current fakes or old fakes?
question 2 - if they are not counterfeits where are the second and fourth coins from?

We recently came across the 4 coins referenced in the picture below (each weighs ~ .3g). In starting our research we could find what appears to be the first and third coins here

The fourth coin we found references to here and here... however, we also found a reference here as counterfeit. I do not have access to Gold Fanams 1336-2000 by Hans Herrli or Oriental Coins and Their Values: Non-Islamic States & Western Colonies by Michael Mitchiner to verify the designs so I was just hunting for each of them via google. I never did find the second coin with the "119" at the top (and it's not listed here).



We have read Steve Album's warning found here and also read about fanam counterfeit's here but nothing specific about these designs.

From identification point of view, the second fanam is from Mysore - Tipu Sultan - Kalikut mint, AH1198
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces55526.html

thank you Parimal. I completely missed that one.

As for the coins are counterfeit or not, I looked into the book Gold Fanams 1336-2000 by Hans Herrli,

Coin 1 and Coin 3:-
Coin 1 looks to be counterfeit where as coin 3 looks genuine


Coin 2 is genuine


Coin 4 is counterfiet

Parimal, this is very helpful. Thank you so much. The fanam is an interesting (yet challenging) area that exposes an incredible history.

Parimal, I'm wondering about the first one. The fake in the example is missing a dot on the upper right of the obverse and the #1 coin has that dot. #1 also looks a lot like the Numista example as well (here). I guess the only way to really tell is to get the gold analyzed--however, when there is 1 fake there are likely others --so my money is betting it's a fake.

These fanam's are an interesting category as I'm seeing a lot of the fakes for sale (or sold in auctions) from reputable sites now that I see the pages from the book.

again, thanks for your help.

My analysis in based on the design of the dagger on the reverse. The dot on obverse may be out off flan as these are very small coins and not always very well centered. Looking at the images of the coin in Numista listing, it may also be a counterfeit.
There are lots of fakes of fanams which were produced in 1980s, some imitating real fanams while some with complete fantasy designs. Also many counterfeits are made of real gold. So a gold analysis might also not help much.
While dwelling into this category its always helpful to have a reference book handy so that fakes can be avoided.