Italy Venetian State coin a real puzzle.

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Hi folks.

have come across this in my late fathers collection.

obverse clearly Venetian but reverse a puzzle.

Hoping for a little help in the identification.

19mm base metal 

base metal

 Maybe a token representing a real gold Zecchino coin: 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/search/1/?country=ITALIAN+STATES®ion=VENICE&denom=Zecchino&date=&catalogInitials=&catalogNumber= 

 But only the obverse.

St. Mark standing at left presenting staff with DVX vertically at top to doge kneeling at right

Legend: ALOY. MOCE - S. M. VENE(T) 

 Wondering also what is on the token reverse. 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

 Though no pictures there. These three do though: 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italian-states-venice-zecchino-km-460-1700-09-cuid-1148293-duid-1487892 

or 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italian-states-venice-zecchino-km-517-1722-32-cuid-1150596-duid-1488052 

or 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italian-states-venice-zecchino-km-671-1763-78-cuid-1204987-duid-1486236 

 

 So yes, what is on that reverse; clearly nothing like that on the coins. 

Maybe something different to stop the token maker being accused of forgery. 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

ZacUK

 Maybe a token representing a real gold Zecchino coin: 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/search/1/?country=ITALIAN+STATES®ion=VENICE&denom=Zecchino&date=&catalogInitials=&catalogNumber= 

 But only the obverse.

St. Mark standing at left presenting staff with DVX vertically at top to doge kneeling at right

Legend: ALOY. MOCE - S. M. VENE(T) 

 Wondering also what is on the token reverse. 

 

Yes, the reverse is clearly going to hold the answer. 

Hours of research and haven’t been able to come up with any answer.

it gets a little obsessive @ I need to know. 
thanks for the reply.

all the best

Jim 

Does look like a body laying on a table?
If I rotate it, then a large man climbing a little ladder 😂

The writing on the bottom looks Arabic. I can discern letters A,B,R and not sure about the rest. Maybe someone fluent in Arabic can read the whole thing.

I don't think this is a coin.  SO two possibilities come to mind.

 

First, brass coin weights from the 18th century are known.  If the weight of this object corresponds with a Venetian zecchino (3.5 g.) this could be a good option (though it does not explain the unusual reverse).  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7315048

 

Second, maybe a token.  The Venetians were rubbing elbows with the Ottoman empire in their overseas possessions like Cyprus, Crete, the Ionian Islands, Greece and Dalmatia, and had even struck coins for these overseas territories in the 16th/17th and early 18th centuries, but I don't think any had Arabic inscriptions .  They were out of Cyprus and Crete long before Aloysius Mocenigo (all of them 🙂).

 

However, they were still battling the Ottomans in the early 18th century in Greece, the Ionian Islands and Dalmatia, culminating in Venetian defeats everywhere by 1718 Ottoman–Venetian War (1714–1718) - Wikipedia

 

So, maybe a token hoping for the defeat of the Ottomans (body on the ground on the Arabic side)? 

  

 

   

Thank you for the superb reply. I have settled on it being a token, Venetian state meets Ottoman Empire.

very intersting.

really appreciate the replies.

Jim

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