China 1 dollar token? No, COIN, SOLVED

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Again an unidentified from my “coin” table.

 

W  23.72 D 39.05 T 2.84 Edge reeded Orientation medal Alloy not magnetic

 

Any ideas?

Thanks

Ole

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
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Hello! FAKE!👎 Even if it is non-magnetic... The weight is not good,should be about 27g. 

Andi 👋

P.S.: It is ‘’supposed'' to be a silver coin,not a token.

A copy of this.  N#16257 

AndiPasculescu10

Hello! FAKE!👎 Even if it is non-magnetic... The weight is not good,should be about 27g. 

Andi 👋

Thanks, I knew that, but please tell where to find the “original”, if it exists, and since you know it should be about 27g, you obviously have it from a good source, so please, share it?

Globetrotter
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…and based on the weight most likely Cu/Ni alloy.

rsirian1

A copy of this.  N#16257 

Thanks, I searched in exonumia…..

Globetrotter
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Hi again! My friend,a good link of documentary source you already have above,from Numista cat.,gave by our colleague rsirian1👍

Andi👋

The L. Giorgi on the obverse is very interesting.  Do a Google search.  

Sorry,Sjoelund,wrong search in Exonumia!

Please,see the COIN in KM catalogue:

Andi🤗

Luigi Giorgi, an Italian coin engraver, was introduced by an official of the Italian Embassy in Shanghai, China to work at the Tianjin Mint Factory of the Qing Dynasty in 1910. After the fall of the Qing Dynasty, he was employed at the Tianjin Mint Factory of the Republic of China and served as chief designer and chief engraver until he resigned in 1919. His coin carving skills are exquisite, especially the level of portrait relief technology is very high. In addition to the Yuan Shikai statue silver coin of the Republic of China, the Republican commemorative silver coin, the Republican commemorative ten copper coin, the Yuan Shikai statue of the Republic of China silver coin, and the Hongxian flying dragon commemorative coin, Even Xuantong Three-Year Great Qing silver coin came from his hand.

 

Perhaps the exceedingly rare pattern coin for the Y# 322????

https://coinweek.com/auctions-news/l-giorgi-tall-hat-dollar-thailand-1951-garuda-gold-coin-among-highlights-at-stacks-bowers-hong-kong-auction/ 

 

 

Yes,indeed,the KM catalogue gives 2 patterns Pn34 & Pn35,in copper and brass,for this type of the silver coin,signed by Giorgi. But no reference of weight for this 2 patterns. Market value is quite high for both: 500-600 usd.

So,if copper or brass,the coin may be one of this 2 scarce patterns…👍👍👍

Andi🤗

Or maybe a copy of the L. Giorgi signed production coin.  From the link I posted above:

 

Luigi Giorgi, prolific engraver as the head of the Tientsin Mint from 1910-20, included his signature on the dies that produced this coin. This detail elevates the desirability over the unsigned variety by a substantial amount.

https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/chinese/10/ 

rsirian1

Luigi Giorgi, an Italian coin engraver, was introduced by an official of the Italian Embassy in Shanghai, China to work at the Tianjin Mint Factory of the Qing Dynasty in 1910. After the fall of the Qing Dynasty, he was employed at the Tianjin Mint Factory of the Republic of China and served as chief designer and chief engraver until he resigned in 1919. His coin carving skills are exquisite, especially the level of portrait relief technology is very high. In addition to the Yuan Shikai statue silver coin of the Republic of China, the Republican commemorative silver coin, the Republican commemorative ten copper coin, the Yuan Shikai statue of the Republic of China silver coin, and the Hongxian flying dragon commemorative coin, Even Xuantong Three-Year Great Qing silver coin came from his hand.

 

Perhaps the exceedingly rare pattern coin for the Y# 322????

Strange enough I don't see any GIORGI in numista, nor in SCWC! So it must be “rare” and worth a fortune, on the other hand I see plenty on internet, so maybe it's not rare at all and copied in tens of thousands…..

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Found it.  KM# Pn28 with L. GIORGI on obverse.  Silver $18,000 in SCWC

 

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/china-republic-period-1912-1949-dollar-km-pn28-1914-cuid-1052439-duid-1288897

 

            

 

Edit: It's in SCWC:

Yours is still a fake/copy though.

Sjoelund

 

Strange enough I don't see any GIORGI in numista, 

It's there. Now that what I know what to look for. Also 26.7g.

 

N#70429

rsirian1

Sjoelund

 

Strange enough I don't see any GIORGI in numista, 

It's there. Now that what I know what to look for. Also 26.7g.

 

N#70429

Do you want to add it to numista?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I wouldn't call it a fantasy coin.  I think the intent was to make a fake/counterfeit/forgery of a very valuable pattern coin.  Might be better to post in one of the Counterfeit forum posts?

 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic9693.html

 https://en.numista.com/forum/topic83920.html 

OK, did the modification and used the first link for the posting….

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
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I saw.  Spelled GIORGI wrong.  😊

rsirian1

I saw.  Spelled GIORGI wrong.  @

So I did, thanks.

Globetrotter
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