Golden Horde coins Mamluk or Ottoman ?

Hello,

could you help me to id this coins ? weight about 2,3-2.4g

Are they copper?

I don't remember anything similar among Golden horde coins…

Grinya

Are they copper?

 

I don't remember anything similar among Golden horde coins…

yes, i think they are copper but now im start thinking that this could be billon. For sure they are not ottoman thought about juchid

The style is quite close, but I can't recognize any of them… I think they are not Juchids

understand, any idea where to look  for ? I tried at zeno but without success.

This ones reminds me your coins:

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=237495

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=250282

with the lot i got these coins i get one more and it is mamluk so it is possible that rest are mamluks too

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=294534&cat=24012&ppuser=&sortby=d&way=desc&fbclid=IwAR2n2pT9d2bXrkjI9dTgcSnciVV5hCyFBIJvIGa_xLi96B0YYJ8DGyX0nDE  - not in numista catalog

I dont have a clue where to look for, ive check mamluks at zeno and didnt find my type, only that could be juchid or maye fish type ottomans

but both countries were denied.

https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=1698

http://search.zeno.ru/index.php?v=0&au=on&ar=on&ae=on&fe=on&th=on&c=ottoman&t=fish+&k=&d=&wmin=&wmax=&smin=&smax=&m=&ymin=&ymax=&y=&u=&n=&a=&e=&f=0&s=0