Need Help with some hammered coins [решено]

These coins are both around the size of a 50 centimes and they weigh in at .5 grams. The one on the top is made of base metal and the bottom one is silver or billon.

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Arms of Savoy, Denier, so a kind of:

COUNTY OF SAVOY - AMADEUS VI Denier viennois, 1er type SAVOIE - COMTÉ DE SAVOIE - AMÉDÉE VI Pont d’Ain n.d. (16,5mm, 0,68g, 6h)

Thanks for the help French Lover! Any idea at all for the other one?

Coin cropped 

That's it - no idea where it is from. 

Should the unidentified coin be added to Numista catalog ?  I have been searching everywhere and cant find it either. All i know is that its feudal french/italian and is made of billon.

 Similar: N#196413 

Obverse: Savoy shield within trefoil. 

Reverse: Cross within quatrefoil. 

DerGreifCAC

Should the unidentified coin be added to Numista catalog ?  I have been searching everywhere and cant find it either. All i know is that its feudal french/italian and is made of billon.

Both are yet inidentified.

I said “a kind of ” Amedée VI but legend around the shield is not the same.

May be Amedée VII ?

Yeah, as you can tell im not the medieval coin type, but im gonna guess that back then the issuers of currency changed things around a lot without documentation. Also, could these be contemporary counterfeits or pattern pieces?

Frenchlover

DerGreifCAC

Should the unidentified coin be added to Numista catalog ?  I have been searching everywhere and cant find it either. All i know is that its feudal french/italian and is made of billon.

Both are yet inidentified.

I said “a kind of ” Amedée VI but legend around the shield is not the same.

May be Amedée VII ?

I think you are correct on this one. It matches in every way that i can tell.

 More similar: N#56958 

With a crown at the end of each arm of the cross. 

Obverse: Savoy shield within trefoil.

Reverse: Cross within quatrefoil. 

 Any lettering visible? Maybe: 

CAROLVS EMANVEL // D G DVX SABAVDIE 

ZacUK

 More similar: N#56958 

With a crown at the end of each arm of the cross. 

 

 

Obverse: Savoy shield within trefoil.

Reverse: Cross within quatrefoil. 

 

 Any lettering visible? Maybe: 

CAROLVS EMANVEL // D G DVX SABAVDIE 

Composition is the same, and the designs match

 Yes, and from those two pictures very little of the lettering seen, 

although on obverse on top right it starts with a C letter like the coin in that link. 

Id say these ones are solved! Thanks for the help from everyone. Ill start a new post tomorrow and try to get some opinions on the value of such medieval hammered coins.