I didn't said the coin is VF or XF. This is the price range, if the coin you bid it's the same as in the picture it worth even more. Personally I would say the coin in the picture looks like an XF. The area where you look for worn at this coin is the ribbon where it say NIHIL SINE DEO and you can see it's a little bit worn and the rim is also damaged in few places but it's a nice coin. I would pay for such a coin around 80-120$.
I didn't said the coin is VF or XF. This is the price range, if the coin you bid it's the same as in the picture it worth even more. Personally I would say the coin in the picture looks like an XF. The area where you look for worn at this coin is the ribbon where it say NIHIL SINE DEO and you can see it's a little bit worn and the rim is also damaged in few places but it's a nice coin. I would pay for such a coin around 80-120$.
Yeah,you are right but i usually buy coins in bad condition because they are cheaper, compared to other coins i have this can be considered unc.
With so much wear on the head and the lions, I wouldn't go much further than F.
But I feel like grading, even by professionals, is much more optimistic nowadays than it was 20 years ago. If someone sold me this as an XF, I'd feel cheated.
In my definition: if all design traits are still visible, but considerable detail is worn away, then it's F.
Beard is gone, lions are flat. As others have said a high F or a low VF. I'd put it at a low VF with a note it's been cleaned but grading is subjective. Best we can do is give you our opinion on it. It's all up to you, if you like the coin bid on it.
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Since it is on your “want list,” decide on the maximum you would pay for it and place a bid!.
I agree with the other comments on grading (not better than VF). There are no major blemishes, and even if cleaned, the coin has decent eye appeal (at least by the photos).
Mabye because it comes from Lissner collection there is some subjectivity involved yet the details of the coin are nicely preserved even if the coin doesn't look very appealing.
Visually I would prefer this one, even if it's not graded or if would probably graded less than MS65.
You need to understand is that different countries have different grades. I am in Australia and this coin would grade at the highest VF, but in the US that would be XF.
You need to understand is that different countries have different grades. I am in Australia and this coin would grade at the highest VF, but in the US that would be XF.
I think i kinda did my own,based on the numista grades.
G-the coin is so bad that it hqs completly flat surfaces.
VG-very bad condition,flat surfaces but you can read what it says on it
F-average coin,looking like its been in circulation for 20 years.
VF-slightly shinyer or cleaner F
XF-basically got out out circulation after 5 years
AU-basically UNC but it has some slight scratches
UNC-new coin,(dosent matter if its been in circulation or not) very shiny, little to no scratches.
Idk why but even tho i know im wrong,i base alot of my grades on how shiny is the coin
This, my friend, is not about a subjective opinion -,, I like it and it looks as nice as if it wasn't even in circulation among people and it has few scratches,,
That UNC is an objective assessment ,, the coin was not in circulation,,
And it's not about her shine shine. It is a scholarly statement that only an edge damaged by a single scratch is allowed on a coin - this is when the coin falls from the coin press into the basket with other coins. If necessary, a scratch can be tolerated - if a second coin falls on the coin when it comes out of the press and leaves a scratch - that's all that can be tolerated.
And since coins did not fall into the trash in the Middle Ages and even in ancient times, no scratch is tolerated on these coins. So it doesn't matter what patina the coin has and how shiny it is - it just wasn't in wallets and didn't pass from hand to hand.
In the case of modern coins, these are usually coins that were captured immediately after being put into circulation on the market or were permanently intended for collectors and packaged in mints. Or vindicated from sets of coins wrapped.
Example:
*Maria Theresa's father Charles VI (October 1, 1685 Vienna - October 20, 1740 ibid)- he was a passionate numismatist and all mints in the monarchy had to personally deliver each new coin to his collections - his entire collection is now UNC
*chariot with pay for the X Roman legion leaving the mint where the bronze coins were found unopened cases in the mud are UNC
So please, let's be very careful with UNC ratings ------and maybe I'm too strict -and the coin can therefore be scratched and the inscription gently rubbed off, mainly because it shines like the bullets of a Rottweiler - So I don't consider it unc.
My opinion and yes, hard and strong, but only the addition of the BU gloss and the special toning of the patina above UNC - it is the pinnacle of quality and condition (Nangaparbat of numismatists)
in a nutshell -that's why I never and really never get involved in evaluations here (except for patinas)
Happy second Sunday of Christmas-Advent, fellow collectors.
until I burst into tears-NGC employs a cooperative eye clinic for disabled people with cataracts and after lens operations. NGC doesn't need or buy any organizational magnifiers and special diagnostic machines ( microscopes etc.)- what would they be? and the handicap of the evaluator's eye defect according to the diagnosis should be recorded on the packaging.
,, If the coin is rubbed with emery cloth and the bristles of a metal brush, it is graded,, it is rated au55 - hair and beard talk about circulation
I'm wrong and that's just from the photo of having it under a microscope:
Correct me colleagues - I'm really a blind disabled person (even though I have a disabled person's card)
What am I doing wrong? I really see more-and it's just a play of lights and shadows?
You took that very personally but don't hurt yourself since grading it's so subjective. I've seen a lot of coins that in my opinion doesn't match the assigned grade. You might disagree with how NGC grade coins but even if you don't like it, here we grade coins just from pictures which is also not the best case. I like the idea that evaluator should be on the label but if I am not wrong there are several evaluators for each coin so it would require a bigger label. I don't think NGC will ever have that policy but we'll see in the future.
Dear fellow collectors, I wish you a nice second Advent.
Buy what you like, compare prices with current sales of similar coins - it's always up to you what you buy and how much you pay- everything changes in time and space and there are always more insights and paths.
when you have the opportunity to see the coin or its photo - put it on your phone or PC and this is me zooming in on the "Lenovo" tablet, the cheapest model and almost free shunt.
I don't evaluate coins, I don't like to comment on them (I just like the patina and I also see it on my coin) -so I often talk about the heel
I don't understand the American scale anymore and I'm only interested in ours as a guide.
If you want to describe a coin, you need to look at it ( here it is still important if you have the coin in your hands or if you are evaluating only the photo - the play of light and shadows can also play a role there)
A microscope etc is ideal.
What does your coin say from the photo:
Your opinion is AU , I enlarged the photo and read -you are what I see and if what the seller claims is true
Example- Your coin you want to buy:
a)
*my hair tells me that the mouse has been circulating for a long time and the dirt in the king's ear is a sign that the coin was cleaned - otherwise the same patina would be on the entire coin ( Does the seller state that the coin has been cleaned?)
b)
*the royal mustache and beard never lie and I always see the best mustache on the relief from the face, so I can tell by the flatness that the coin has been in circulation for a long time
*The nose is flat on top
*the scratches on the coin are not from cleaning, but they are a sign that I can see that it has been in circulation for a long time
*the letters don't lie and in "A" you can see the original beautiful silver patina that was destroyed by an ox
c)
*This erasing of the writing is characteristic of a coin that has been in circulation for a long time
*the mark is worn - it is a raised relief
*again the numbers ,,88,, never lie (and they tell me, "I used to have such a beautiful silver patina and now I'm crying.")
d)
what more to say?
Take it as my personal opinion and my concept of assessing coins where really shadows and photomontage can do wonders - but I put a coin under a microscope and I see unseen things.
Conclusion:
I like it when a friend - a fellow American, Daryl - also sees ghosts and the shadows of ghosts running on the coins and shows it to us here.
Coins are bought by collectors for the love of coins and replenishment, and on the contrary, the investor wants to be sure of returning money and earning. And we really always want the coin to be in the best possible condition.
My nestor told me a long time ago when I was starting out: collect what your heart desires
(and he certainly didn't mean the UNC midget I had shipped from China-to exonum-yesterday the older son was visiting with the girls and scolded me for shopping in China and said that I should have bought one Jáchim tollar - that I am getting old)
Dear fellow collectors, I wish you a nice second Advent.
Buy what you like, compare prices with current sales of similar coins - it's always up to you what you buy and how much you pay- everything changes in time and space and there are always more insights and paths.
when you have the opportunity to see the coin or its photo - put it on your phone or PC and this is me zooming in on the "Lenovo" tablet, the cheapest model and almost free shunt.
I don't evaluate coins, I don't like to comment on them (I just like the patina and I also see it on my coin) -so I often talk about the heel
I don't understand the American scale anymore and I'm only interested in ours as a guide.
If you want to describe a coin, you need to look at it ( here it is still important if you have the coin in your hands or if you are evaluating only the photo - the play of light and shadows can also play a role there)
A microscope etc is ideal.
What does your coin say from the photo:
Your opinion is AU , I enlarged the photo and read -you are what I see and if what the seller claims is true
Example- Your coin you want to buy:
a)
*my hair tells me that the mouse has been circulating for a long time and the dirt in the king's ear is a sign that the coin was cleaned - otherwise the same patina would be on the entire coin ( Does the seller state that the coin has been cleaned?)
b)
*the royal mustache and beard never lie and I always see the best mustache on the relief from the face, so I can tell by the flatness that the coin has been in circulation for a long time
*The nose is flat on top
*the scratches on the coin are not from cleaning, but they are a sign that I can see that it has been in circulation for a long time
*the letters don't lie and in "A" you can see the original beautiful silver patina that was destroyed by an ox
c)
*This erasing of the writing is characteristic of a coin that has been in circulation for a long time
*the mark is worn - it is a raised relief
*again the numbers ,,88,, never lie (and they tell me, "I used to have such a beautiful silver patina and now I'm crying.")
d)
what more to say?
Take it as my personal opinion and my concept of assessing coins where really shadows and photomontage can do wonders - but I put a coin under a microscope and I see unseen things.
Conclusion:
I like it when a friend - a fellow American, Daryl - also sees ghosts and the shadows of ghosts running on the coins and shows it to us here.
Coins are bought by collectors for the love of coins and replenishment, and on the contrary, the investor wants to be sure of returning money and earning. And we really always want the coin to be in the best possible condition.
My nestor told me a long time ago when I was starting out: collect what your heart desires
(and he certainly didn't mean the UNC midget I had shipped from China-to exonum-yesterday the older son was visiting with the girls and scolded me for shopping in China and said that I should have bought one Jáchim tollar - that I am getting old)
My opinion - my world.
Ivan
thanks for the implication you have in this coin, but its already too late, i tried to auction for it, but when i tried to write, my comment was deleted, because i needed to be atleast 3 days old in the group to comment. If i was succesfull i whoud have got it for 260 lei (52$)
This, my friend, is not about a subjective opinion -,, I like it and it looks as nice as if it wasn't even in circulation among people and it has few scratches,,
That UNC is an objective assessment ,, the coin was not in circulation,,
And it's not about her shine shine. It is a scholarly statement that only an edge damaged by a single scratch is allowed on a coin - this is when the coin falls from the coin press into the basket with other coins. If necessary, a scratch can be tolerated - if a second coin falls on the coin when it comes out of the press and leaves a scratch - that's all that can be tolerated.
And since coins did not fall into the trash in the Middle Ages and even in ancient times, no scratch is tolerated on these coins. So it doesn't matter what patina the coin has and how shiny it is - it just wasn't in wallets and didn't pass from hand to hand.
In the case of modern coins, these are usually coins that were captured immediately after being put into circulation on the market or were permanently intended for collectors and packaged in mints. Or vindicated from sets of coins wrapped.
Example:
*Maria Theresa's father Charles VI (October 1, 1685 Vienna - October 20, 1740 ibid)- he was a passionate numismatist and all mints in the monarchy had to personally deliver each new coin to his collections - his entire collection is now UNC
*chariot with pay for the X Roman legion leaving the mint where the bronze coins were found unopened cases in the mud are UNC
So please, let's be very careful with UNC ratings ------and maybe I'm too strict -and the coin can therefore be scratched and the inscription gently rubbed off, mainly because it shines like the bullets of a Rottweiler - So I don't consider it unc.
My opinion and yes, hard and strong, but only the addition of the BU gloss and the special toning of the patina above UNC - it is the pinnacle of quality and condition (Nangaparbat of numismatists)
in a nutshell -that's why I never and really never get involved in evaluations here (except for patinas)
Ok All the explanation is OK , I just wanted to explain and note that the UNC abbreviation should be handled with care - because it is the highest quality.
Sorry, don't be angry that I commented so passionately, it was not intended only for you, but for everyone who does not know how to view a coin.
And the fact that the coin you showed is completely attacked and marked with green silver mold - and someone tried to inexpertly remove it, I kept quiet-so as not to stress everyone too much. Under the microscope, it must be all crawled.
So excuse me and enjoy our common hobby of collecting and I wish you nice catches on exchanges - websites and shops.
Ok All the explanation is OK , I just wanted to explain and note that the UNC abbreviation should be handled with care - because it is the highest quality.
Sorry, don't be angry that I commented so passionately, it was not intended only for you, but for everyone who does not know how to view a coin.
And the fact that the coin you showed is completely attacked and marked with green silver mold - and someone tried to inexpertly remove it, I kept quiet-so as not to stress everyone too much. Under the microscope, it must be all crawled.
So excuse me and enjoy our common hobby of collecting and I wish you nice catches on exchanges - websites and shops.
Dear fellow collectors, I wish you a nice second Advent.
Buy what you like, compare prices with current sales of similar coins - it's always up to you what you buy and how much you pay- everything changes in time and space and there are always more insights and paths.
when you have the opportunity to see the coin or its photo - put it on your phone or PC and this is me zooming in on the "Lenovo" tablet, the cheapest model and almost free shunt.
I don't evaluate coins, I don't like to comment on them (I just like the patina and I also see it on my coin) -so I often talk about the heel
I don't understand the American scale anymore and I'm only interested in ours as a guide.
If you want to describe a coin, you need to look at it ( here it is still important if you have the coin in your hands or if you are evaluating only the photo - the play of light and shadows can also play a role there)
A microscope etc is ideal.
What does your coin say from the photo:
Your opinion is AU , I enlarged the photo and read -you are what I see and if what the seller claims is true
Example- Your coin you want to buy:
a)
*my hair tells me that the mouse has been circulating for a long time and the dirt in the king's ear is a sign that the coin was cleaned - otherwise the same patina would be on the entire coin ( Does the seller state that the coin has been cleaned?)
b)
*the royal mustache and beard never lie and I always see the best mustache on the relief from the face, so I can tell by the flatness that the coin has been in circulation for a long time
*The nose is flat on top
*the scratches on the coin are not from cleaning, but they are a sign that I can see that it has been in circulation for a long time
*the letters don't lie and in "A" you can see the original beautiful silver patina that was destroyed by an ox
c)
*This erasing of the writing is characteristic of a coin that has been in circulation for a long time
*the mark is worn - it is a raised relief
*again the numbers ,,88,, never lie (and they tell me, "I used to have such a beautiful silver patina and now I'm crying.")
d)
what more to say?
Take it as my personal opinion and my concept of assessing coins where really shadows and photomontage can do wonders - but I put a coin under a microscope and I see unseen things.
Conclusion:
I like it when a friend - a fellow American, Daryl - also sees ghosts and the shadows of ghosts running on the coins and shows it to us here.
Coins are bought by collectors for the love of coins and replenishment, and on the contrary, the investor wants to be sure of returning money and earning. And we really always want the coin to be in the best possible condition.
My nestor told me a long time ago when I was starting out: collect what your heart desires
(and he certainly didn't mean the UNC midget I had shipped from China-to exonum-yesterday the older son was visiting with the girls and scolded me for shopping in China and said that I should have bought one Jáchim tollar - that I am getting old)
My opinion - my world.
Ivan
What grade is this one? I see it was cleaned and got much damage from that but i may get it for 200-250
I don't evaluate coins, I don't like to comment on them
Big greetings to the south of the continent.
I'm really not suitable for rating and classifying according to the scale - I'm not a good rater and I don't know this coin in that much detail.
This is a question for a person who follows this coin, knows it and knows the trajectory of pricing and assessment of details over the last few years, and consequently - the market is the master of the situation.
I'm just sad that someone unprofessionally cleans the coin and removes the beautiful patina, and when they remove it when needed, the remains remain and spoil the overall impression.
And most of all, I'm fascinated by cleaning - perhaps with an emery cloth:
Always decide according to the option,, do I have other options?
It is mainly up to you and your decision, fellow collector.
I don't evaluate coins, I don't like to comment on them
Big greetings to the south of the continent.
I'm really not suitable for rating and classifying according to the scale - I'm not a good rater and I don't know this coin in that much detail.
This is a question for a person who follows this coin, knows it and knows the trajectory of pricing and assessment of details over the last few years, and consequently - the market is the master of the situation.
I'm just sad that someone unprofessionally cleans the coin and removes the beautiful patina, and when they remove it when needed, the remains remain and spoil the overall impression.
And most of all, I'm fascinated by cleaning - perhaps with an emery cloth:
Always decide according to the option,, do I have other options?
It is mainly up to you and your decision, fellow collector.
Ivan -Ahoj
thanks, i think i will get it if i will be able to buy it for less than 250
*my hair tells me that the mouse has been circulating for a long time and the dirt in the king's ear is a sign that the coin was cleaned - otherwise the same patina would be on the entire coin ( Does the seller state that the coin has been cleaned?)
*the royal mustache and beard never lie and I always see the best mustache on the relief from the face, so I can tell by the flatness that the coin has been in circulation for a long time
*This erasing of the writing is characteristic of a coin that has been in circulation for a long time
what more to say?*my hair tells me that the mouse has been circulating for a long time and the dirt in the king's ear is a sign that the coin was cleaned - otherwise the same patina would be on the entire coin ( Does the seller state that the coin has been cleaned?)
*the royal mustache and beard never lie and I always see the best mustache on the relief from the face, so I can tell by the flatness that the coin has been in circulation for a long time
*This erasing of the writing is characteristic of a coin that has been in circulation for a long time
what more to say?
