Sweden mark 1672 Value needed and ID conformation [решено]

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Hello, I have this 1672 Sweden 1 mark coin. Please confirm Id and and  KM# ??

 

 Value needed also. This seems to be a rare date for this issue.

Thanks in advance for any information!!!

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Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sorry this coin is the size of a US quarter and weighs 4.39g.

Km240

Alexius73

Km240

I want the OP to be active and give the proper information, he needs help, not us!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
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Alexius73

Km240

Thanks! Alexius. I thought it was KM240 but wanted to be sure. I cannot find any auctions for the 1672 date.  Any idea as to value? Thanks in advance!

There are different variants of the km240. The one from 1672 is very rare, but I don't know the price.

 

The weight of your coin is very low for the type. My ideas are:

Verify the weight with a comparable and certain weight.

If you will add the pictures and data to numista database, the referee should give a feedback about authenticity (not an easy job)

I was able to find this auction result, but the coin is not identical; the mint insignia below the crowns is different.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot=93&p=lot&sid=6222

 

I can find one other earlier auction with a different mint insignia (again not same as yours):  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1989556

 

However, this insignia can be found on the 2 mark coins of 1671, so perhaps there was a transition of mint officials early in 1672. 

 

Contemporary counterfeits in copper of the 2 mark coin are known:  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=11768878

The weight discrepancy could be consistent with this, and the look of the coin in your photos looks more like a copper based coin (but sometimes that can just be the lighting conditions)

 

If you have some way to check silver content (a coin store or jeweler with XRF?), that could be a good next step.

Authentic km240 (in my opinion). Value i can't be sure, I would put it at auction with a reserve of say a top condition common date of similar type and period. 

bobroth1951

 

This seems to be a rare date for this issue.

1672 is an extremely rare date, only 5 pieces known with three different mintmarks. Your coin looks like a crown type G2 with CC mintmark, but with only 2 known pieces how big is the chance yours is authentic?

It's a pity tdziemia found pictures of the other two types of 1672 coins but just not from the one you are supposed to have. Otherwise we would have something to make a proper comparison. For instance, the 6 in the date on your coin is different but maybe that's how it is with that third type.

 

Essor Prof, that's a helpful insight.

 

I mentioned that the mint mark on the poster's coin looks like the mint mark commonly found on a 1671 2 mark:  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9201599

 

Since you have access to a catalog, what is this mintmark called on the 2 mark coin?  To me it does not look like CC or DF or D-F, which would then mean the coin is most likely a counterfeit.

 

Also, in my opinion, the rarity cited in the catalog for the 1671 1 mark coin is not likely to be correct.  If we can find 2 examples auctioned in 10 years, it is unlikely that only 5 exist.   

Thanks to all that have responded. I am pretty sure that it is the real coin. I have several other dates and they look the same in color, size and weight. I find that some of these early silver coins can vary in weight quite a bit. I have sent photos for the website. The collection that I am currently evaluating has some very rare coins in it. Sometimes I cannot tell if the coin has damage or was just minted that way. Thanks again, Bob

Статус изменён на Решено (bobroth1951, 12 Дек 2023, 10:51)

tdziemia

 

Since you have access to a catalog, what is this mintmark called on the 2 mark coin?  To me it does not look like CC or DF or D-F, which would then mean the coin is most likely a counterfeit.

I also find it very strange they call the mintmark CC while it looks like an entangled T and S, but when you look at the pictures of the 2 mark coin you can clearly see that entangled T and S is called CC mintmark (look at the red marked lines SMB 189 and 192).

On the same page you can see the different crown types with in red the crown types for the 1 mark 1672:

 

 

 

About the authenticity, when I compare the different CC mintmarks, the one on the OP's coin seems a bit off:

 

tdziemia

 

Also, in my opinion, the rarity cited in the catalog for the 1671 1 mark coin is not likely to be correct.  If we can find 2 examples auctioned in 10 years, it is unlikely that only 5 exist.   

I have to agree on that. For a coin with only 5 pieces known, finding 2 in auctions seems a lot.

 

I have send a message to the author of the catalog and asked a few questions:

- Why is the mintmark called CC when it looks like an entangled T and S?

- Does that number under EX mean something else than the number of known pieces? Because we found 2 pieces sold on auctions, which seems a lot for only 5 known pieces in total?

- I've also asked what he thinks about the authenticity. I'm far from an expert but I assume he is.

 

Hopefully we get some answers.

 

This is the catalog:

 

Hello,

I didn't see this topic and i accepted his image add request on the page of KM 240. Is that correct that it is added?

I personally think that the chance would be very high this is a fake.

I will wait what the author of the catalog says.

TRC

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

Mintmark looks like TSR to me.

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

Stefan0205

The weight of your coin is very low for the type. My ideas are:

Verify the weight with a comparable and certain weight.

If you will add the pictures and data to numista database, the referee should give a feedback about authenticity (not an easy job)

Sorry, no, i did not. I am not sure. If only 2 examples are known it probaly is a fake.

Do you think i should remove the photos approved or should i wait?

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

I have never seen such ugly crowns in a swedish mark. In my opinion is a fake

I don't think that it is a fake, but it might be, you guys are certainly more expert then I am. My friend is sending it to PCGS or NGC for verification. 

cobrapel

I have never seen such ugly crowns in a swedish mark. In my opinion is a fake

Don't forget those were the days of handmade “dies”!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

In my 11 Dec. post, two different crown styles on what are presumably 2 authentic examples with different mint marks. 

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