2 ант.монеты Пантикапей Владика Природи вага 7.9 гр.состав золота по фото

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Translation of title from Google Translate (which is not always totally clear): 

“I bring to your attention 2 antique coins Panticapaeum weight and composition of gold photo and Ol”

 

A brief search on the internet reveals that Pantikapaion was an ancient Greek city on the eastern shore of Crimea, which the Greeks called Taurica.

 

I can't help with the coins, but hope this will assist members knowledgeable on Greek coins. 

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Hello! Good Luc!

SerhioMS

Hello!

I have a coin identical to the one discussed here.

The weight is 8.5 g, and the design matches the example shown in this thread. This coin originally!!!!!!

Price on Leucon I stater auction tells how original your coin is.

Numista does not have reference for gold version of Olbia's stater. Posting it next to unauthenticated seven figure historical piece image does not add any credibility to second coin image.

 

See https://en.numista.com/help/can-i-buy-or-sell-on-numista-7.html

What was the purpose of original post?

 

Here is coin similar to first image N#398031 and here is county for second coin image https://en.numista.com/catalogue/olbia-1.html

 

If you are here to advertise your piece, I suspect that spectral analysis does not narrow down results just to three metals and results are not scribbled by hand on coin holders.

 

If you are here for body part measurement contest, prove size of your body part by having your coin authenticated by reputable authentication service.

Thank you for your message.

I would like to clarify a few points regarding the coin I posted.


 I did not intend to advertise anything.
I posted the coin for scholarly interest and comparison, nothing more.

 

The composition of my coin  • Gold (Au): 79.33% • Silver (Ag): 12.88% • Copper (Cu): 8.24% • Zinc (Zn): 0.58% • Iron (Fe): 0.15% • Total weight: 8.50 g is fully consistent with the known metallurgical range of ancient Bosporan/Pantikapaion staters.
This alloy is well documented in academic analyses and differs significantly from modern gold alloys.

 

  1. The die match between my specimen and two other independently documented specimens is a factual numismatic observation, not speculation.
    A shared die flaw indicates the use of the same ancient die or a die derived directly from it.
  2. I am fully aware that Numista is not an authentication service.
    The images were used for simple visual comparison only, not as a certificate of authenticity.
  3. The comment about “measuring body parts” is unnecessary and unprofessional.
    I am here to discuss numismatics, not to participate in personal insults.
  4. As for authentication:
    I am in the process of submitting the coin to a recognized expert service for full analysis and formal attribution.
    When the official report is available, I will share it for the benefit of the community.
     

I appreciate constructive dialogue and objective analysis,

but I will not engage in disrespectful or personal commentary.

SerhioMS 

I appreciate constructive dialogue and objective analysis,

but I will not engage in disrespectful or personal commentary.

 

What was the purpose of original post?

Why you selected to add legitimacy to scammer's post by telling that you got identical coin?

The purpose of my post was simply to compare my coin with another example and to ask for numismatic opinions.

Nothing more, nothing less.


 

I did not “add legitimacy” to anyone’s post.

I only pointed out visual similarities between dies — which is a normal part of numismatic discussion.


 

I am not a seller, I am not advertising anything,

and I have no connection whatsoever to any “scammer.”

I am simply trying to understand the origin of my coin.


 

The coin is currently undergoing independent authentication by a professional expert service.

Based on all the preliminary evidence we have already collected — composition, weight, diameter, die match, and structural analysis — the coin appears to be original.

We are now waiting only for the official written conclusion.


 

If you have constructive numismatic input, I will gladly hear it.

If not, please avoid personal accusations.

Archaeology discovers new types of coins, dies and regional variations every single year.

It is completely normal that not every ancient coin corresponds 100% to already catalogued specimens.


 

The die production in the ancient world was not standardized.

Different engravers, different workshops, different periods and different levels of skill created natural diversity in coinage — especially in regions such as the Bosporan Kingdom.

Expecting absolute identity with known examples is simply unrealistic.


 

Just as no archaeological cultural layer is ever identical after centuries underground, ancient coins do not survive in perfectly uniform forms.

Variations are an integral part of numismatics — they are not evidence against authenticity.


 

This is exactly why my coin is now undergoing independent authentication, so that professional numismatists can evaluate it based on physical, structural and metallurgical evidence, not assumptions.

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