Finland 2 Markkaa KM#7 two variations [решено]

Our Finnish catalogues have these two variations which could be added to Numista too. I have these coins and took some photos but I'm not as good as Sjoelund for example is to make these presentations. First one is year 1865. Regarding the bow tie some coins have no balls at the end  and some have large balls. In SNY catalogue large balls is 493.1.1.

Magnification:

Year 1906 has two different side text variations. The side text contains "⅔". The diagonal line in normal case is short but some coins have long diagonal line. In SNY catalogue long diagonal line is 500.1.1. 

Photos:

If needed I could take more photos.

Hi Olli,

you can always ask me to help you set up the documentations. I'll take a look at the 1865 variants tomorrow.

Sleep, well

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Hi Olli,

can you please send me images of the 1906 2 markkaa coin, obverse and reverse?

The 1865, OK?

The 1906, I can start when I get the images.

For me that is fine, thank you.

More photos:

Is this OK with you?

No you can the make change requests using those two graphics?

Sjoelund

Is this OK with you?

 

Leftover “Balls” on bottom right.

Thanks

Sjoelund

The 1865, OK?

 

Hello,

I don’t want to look picky, but most likely, the obverse picture here is taken from later mint years. Lettering in Y1865 coins is larger, cf. coin page, comments. In fact, some time ago I sent a request to create a separate page for this coin as it was done for 50 penniä and 1 markka, but it was rejected. 

The obverse is from the coin on the numista page!

N#32440

so it's a 1907, well spotted.

Olli, can you please send me the obverse image of the 1856 coins.

NumiSerge could you please send me your rejected findings and I'll see, what I can do?

Hi,

Unfortunately, I did not save the page draft that I created for the Y1865(66) coin, but I still have my correspondence with the referee about this matter. It includes the following pictures:

If needed, I can send (via PM?) the whole correspondence.

Hi,

thanks, yes, they are really different subtypes, and they are recognized as such by the KM catalog. 

I just took a look at my SCWC and found the switch between the dies to happened in 1872. The year then decides the subtype.

The comment found in the coin page is really not reflecting the truth. I'll see what I can cook up? Be back later with a suggestion.

Hi NumiSerge,

Maybe the 1872 is only for borders (deciding the sub type), but the 1870 is for the size of the lettering. It would be interesting to know, if the 1870 was struck with two different sizes of lettering (and maybe also borders)? I haven't any of those 2 markkaa coins in my collection, so I cannot really verify anything!

Yes, you can send me the old correspondence by PM.

Ole

Done.

Here is what I have been able to put together:

SCWC made a cut in 1872, which should have been in 1870! We're not allowed to change KM#, but we're allowed to show errors, so we'll have to invent a sneaky, correct way to show the reality in numista?

Thanks, Ole, the summary looks great! 

2 Markkaa 1865.

Thanks Olli.

We now have these 3 graphics for the km7.x coins

Have we missed anything? If not, I suggest, Olli makes a CR for his two findings and NumiSerge makes a CR for his finding. Please feel free to use the graphics on this page.

Hi,

I just modified it a tiny little bit

Do you have the images for the 1 markka coins?

Thanks Ole. I have here gathered some major changes regarding 2 markkaa coins. 

The coins of the years 1865-66 are characterized by large patterns, while the 1870 mintage already has clearly smaller letters and numbers. The 1872 type, on the other hand, has a denser beaded border and a particularly large wreath knot. In 1874, the latest model was introduced, in which, along with the wreath, the heart coat of arms has undergone a thorough change. The lion has shrunk a bit, got a two-pronged tail and moved one of its hind paws to the blade of the saber. The number of heraldic roses has increased from three to eight. In addition, the crown with a small double eagle above the coat of arms has been replaced by a lower crown, which no longer has the eagle pattern.

Some photos too:

So I have here 1865 rev+obv, 1870 rev+obv, 1872 rev and 1908 obv.

Sjoelund

Do you have the images for the 1 markka coins?

Good morning, I have only Y1874 coin:

I have them all except 1870, which ones do you need?

Do you need any admin intervention in this?

Thanks for asking, but for the moment not😉