Wrong intervention in classification

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The article of coinage of Isle of Man 2 Pence - Elizabeth II Hand Working Tools KM#208 had many inconsistencies and on convenient occasion the modification request https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/voir_demande.php?id=12192313

to correct them was made:

 

Note. Obviously the right  information is part of the article, but it does not consists of the data of the article directly.  This is not the case of this topic and in this post  onwards this important addition will be omitted. 

It is still an example of grammar  nonsense in the Obverse (head): Description with keywords (en)

which is corrected everywhere, according to preposition made by the author a few years ago to return to the grammar learned in primary school. Here it is still rejected, which means that the referee as well as His Majesty after appeal insist on spoilage and continue guard the fake text.

 

But the Comments section  represents the intervention in the classification, which was made silently, without informing the author about the changes by Numista Team and  it was made wrongly.

 

it was proposed and rejected

1991
A few groups are known.

 

it is an important part. It shows that the text is about 1991. It helps in attribution: if a collector has other year in hands, it is not here. See for example N#170525 where the years are in chronological order and types of the same year are given according to the classification. 

 

Reverse

 

It is important and standard part. It  means that the differences are about this side. The first given Obverse, for there are no known till now differences in the Obv. 1991 the text is omitted. See for example N#8032

 where both sides have differences in the same year.

 

Die A1 - die letters under the pottery wheel, both are so close that the first letter with missing right diagonal bar. The first letter lower than the base of wheel.
Picture: © Images courtesy of Alexandr Prokofyev.


Die A2 - die letters under the pottery wheel, both are so close that the first letter with missing right diagonal bar. The first letter touches the base of wheel.
Die A3 - die letters under the pottery wheel and far away from each other, the first letter is written completely.

 

It is a must to have such division. The main group is  die A, die letters (or may be die marks, as  MMowiec informed) are under to pottery wheel. For there are different position of them, they have numbering  A1, A2, A3.

 

Die B - die letters between bottom and central part of the wheel.

 

 

It is a must to have it without numbering, for till now only one type of this die is known.

 

Note. Dies of group A are nicknamed "low position" and dies of group B - "high position" of die letters by collectors.

 

It is highly recommended to keep this line. It shows the correspondence of the standard classification of the dies with jargon, used by collectors.

 

 

This comment is in consistency with standards in numismatics, with Numista policy and other articles of the Isle of Man coinage: see for example N#1371

 

where the same style but without subdivision A1, A2, A3 is presented. 

 

That what we have is hard to be named numismatics:

Since when the jargon became terminology?

How the image 

which does not even respect the Standard Catalog of Worlds Coins was allowed to be present?

 

In which way the classification of the dies may be returned to the standards? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alexander from Cyprus
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When talking about a coin please provide a link to the Numista page. In this case: N#7339

 

It seems the corrections you want should be made through the normal edit process.

 

You mention that some of your changes were rejected – did you file an appeal for those rejections? The appeal process is slow but has been helpful when I had reasonable change requests rejected.

I rejected the request as user cyprusalexander wanted to remove nice graphic made by Ole and instead wanted to add long description of the variants.

I kept the graphic which is maybe not the perfect one but still the very good (I can quickly see what are the difference between variants).  There is clear info above graphic that this refers to 1991 variants. Below graphic, I added the shortened version of the description made by user cyprusalexander. Now, we have all info shown in the best possible way, graphic and description easy to understand, without too long divagations about the variants. 

 

For obverse description: yes, I used to write Queen Elizabeth II (written by Q capital). Mayby this is not on line with ortography but it's a kind of respect to the Queen.

 

PS. Please be polite in your next change requests, even you don't like the current version and propose the (in your opinion) better one.

I guess you should aknowledge the fact that some people can actually see the whole request page, and can make screenshots for everyone to see how the request was handled… 

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Статус изменён на Отклонено (Jarcek, 17 Сент 2024, 09:11)

As for the request, either appeal to Xavier, or respect the decision of the referee.

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