3 Russian coins and a German Counter Token to identify

Good morning All

I have these 3 Russian coins and German Counter Token that I can not find in teh catalogue.  Any suggestions on the identification would eb greatly appreciated.  Thanks

Philip

1. Russian Kopek 1727 (might be 2 Kopek)- 3,15g, 18,7mm, and 1,5 mm thick

2. Also a Russian Kopek 1727 - 3,5g, 19,5mm, and 1,6mm thick

3. Also seems to be a Russian Kopek 1759 - 1,75g, 17,4mm and 1,1mm thick

4. Trade Toekn, presumeibly from Nürenberg - 1,3g, 22,3mm anf 0,4mm tick

ПОЛУШКА is quarter (1/4) kopeck.

Peter II did not issue kopecks and quarter kopecks in 1727. There was 1727 quarter kopeck trial variant. Catalogue image is similar to yours, but edge ornament is aligned better.

1759 ¼ kopeck is N#52540 . Your piece of metal is not it. Weight is important for period copper coinage as coins are counted by weight.

I would say that all three are counterfeit or replicas minted by state mint.

Thanks, have then 1759 listed under the link you provided, with the comment that it is likely a copy.

Also looked through my catalogues and could not find any of these.

Philip

Юсупов Б.С. - Монеты Российской империи. Альбом-каталог, 1999.

Yusupov - Coins of Russian empire. Album - catalogue. 1999, Kazan.

If you can read Russian, I can give article about state mint replicas. It does mention 1727 copper that exists only on paper.

I can not read Russioan, but please send me the article, GOOGLE can help, if my neighbour is not available.

Pcoetzee5

I can not read Russioan, but please send me the article, GOOGLE can help, if my neighbour is not available.

https://numexpert.ru/publikatsii/novodely/

Thank you

Google made it possible.

So if I understood the aricle correct, these were “Copies” made by the mint.  It also seems likely that they were not as common as the original issue coins.

I will add them to the catalogue under “Tokens”.  Appreciate your input.

Philip

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3512835 - 1727 kopek. Novodel

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=832538 - 1727 ¼ kopek. Novodel

You can find other examples when searching for novodel in numista's Russian empire catalogue. As that Russian article says it is difficult to draw the line between them and counterfeits.

Originals are not more common. In most of cases they are rare or non-existent. In some cases (https://en.numista.com/forum/topic159704.html#p1241682) they are manufactured using different method.