Voc X Stuiver?

Please assist with identification / approximate value on the following coin;





Thanks for your assistance.

I don't really know the coin but it most certainly is the coolest coin I have seen this week.  

Not a bad coin, somewhat worn, but interesting. It is 10 Stuivers (1/2 Gulden) of the Dutch East India Company (VOC) issued for Dutch East Indies (current Indonesia) in the name of Zeeland, one of the Dutch provinces.
You can read about the VOC in Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

Your coin should have the date above the crown. The picture is not the best, and I can't see the date. It should probably be 1791, like on a coin in my collection.
http://avscoins.com/en/coin/4771/netherlands-east-indies-10-stuivers-12-gulden-1791/
Let me know if I guessed the date correctly.
The coin is not illustrated in the Krause catalog, nor in NGC price guide. There is also no exact match of the legend (probably another mistake in Krause), but the coin is one of KM #156.1, KM #156.2 or KM #156.3
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/World-Coin-Price-Guide.aspx
The legend on your coin, as well as on mine starts on reverse with MON:ARG (which translates as 'silver coin'), not MO:ARG: like in the catalog.
As for the approximate price, IMHO yours is about US$100.    

Though struck for East Indies, coins with VOC monogram were also used in South Africa which was then still a Dutch colony, and the Dutch East India Company periodically unloaded in Capetown from its ships some of the copper and silver coinage on its way to East Indies.

It's Netherlands West Indies  Batavian Republic 10 stuiver dated 1795/1796
1795 f $65 vf $90 xf $135 unc $185
1796 f $150 vf $350 xf $700 unc $1200

Цитата: janinehopley@telkomsa.netPlease assist with identification / approximate value on the following coin;





Thanks for your assistance.

Nice to see you again, Janine. How have you been? How's the collection?

After having written the above post, I checked where the topic starter comes from, and am glad that I did. The provenance of the coin is an additional proof that VOC coins indeed circulated in South Africa.

Janine, I would suggest that you borrow from a library (if not the local one, then it should be in Pretoria or Capetown) a very interesting book

I hope that after reading it you will not sell the inherited collection, but will continue improving it.  

Цитата: tony_k_1965It's Netherlands West Indies  Batavian Republic 10 stuiver dated 1795/1796
1795 f $65 vf $90 xf $135 unc $185
1796 f $150 vf $350 xf $700 unc $1200

Tony,
I am afraid you missed a bit. It's East, not West Indies. And the 10 Stuivers of Batavian Republic of 1795/1796 did not have the VOC monogram, as you can see on Krause pictures:
By the way, in the West Indies the monogram was "W".

Hi Andrey

Thanks for all the information! I will certainly get my hands on the book you recommended.

Unfortunately, while the coin is in VG / F condition, I cannot make out the date other than 17__ due to dirt, but I don't want to try to clean it. Sorry...

This coin actually belongs to a collection my boss has asked me to find out more about. It has come with a number of coins from South Africa. There are a few others that I am unable to identify, including some interesting trench art, which I will post tomorrow for help.

My personal collection continues to grow faster than I can keep it organised, but I will get to it one day. I do not plan to sell, but will eventually start to swop some of my extras for those I still need. Unfortunately I don't have great connectivity, so I don't tend to get onto Numista often enough. I have recently upgraded my connectivity, so hopefully this will change!

Currently my collection is international, with a focus on African countries, but mainly Rhodesia and South Africa.

Thanks again, Janine

Thanks Andrey, I have just found it, would be dated 1786 which would be found above the crown, KM#52
vg 25, f 40 vf 65 xf 100

Hi bam777

Yes, doing some research again. Unfortunately my collection seem to grow faster than I can get it organised... I've also been off line for ages, but I'm reconnected now and hope to start adding my new coins. I think I've become quite obsessed. My company travels into Africa a lot, so everyone is collecting coins for me!

Nice to be back!

Janine

Цитата: tony_k_1965Thanks Andrey, I have just found it, would be dated 1786 which would be found above the crown, KM#52
vg 25, f 40 vf 65 xf 100

Tony, you got closer, but yet not on the spot .
The cartouche around VOC in 1786 was different from Janine's coin, so it should be 1791. There were basically three main types of VOC 10 Stuivers of this period:
in 1786 with particularly 'baroque' cartouche (see picture from Krause, since I still don't have this coin)
also in 1786 without cartouche
  
in 1791 (Zeeland) with cartouche

Two last coins are from my collection.

Hi Andrey

Yes, your coin is the first one I've seen which is exactly like mine.

I agree, as the date does seem to end with a 7 or a 1, so is most likely 1791.

Thanks,
Janine

Janine,
If the date is not just covered by dirt, but almost worn off, then my price estimate was too high. Probably $60-$70 would be more realistic.

As for the "trench art" you mentioned, it nullifies numismatic value of a coin, limiting it to bullion value.
Then again, art is art. If it is good, then it might be valuable in itself, but not among coin collectors.
E.g. such pictures from cut dollars are valued by some (they even sell for more than the cost of 'raw material' from which they are made), but not by banknote collectors.
http://www.shytok.net/index.php?name=News&op=Article&sid=3283

Yes, I agree w.r.t the trench art - has a very specific market. Even though I don't collect these pieces, I still like to be able to identify the coin, which can be very tricky due to information which has been cut out;



Cheers,
Janine

Does this look similar?

Yes, I do believe that is the correct one! Thanks, Janine

Name change complete!