German Tramway Tokens during "Notgeld-times"

Hello,
There is quite an inconsistency with german tramway tokens that were made during and as a result of the hyperinflation time and the subsequent rise of Notgeld. 
Sometimes they are listed under "German Notgeld" under the city they were produced and used in:
N#65274 - Augsburg
N#18670 - Crefeld
https://en.numista.com/36599 - Crefeld
https://en.numista.com/65491 - Mülheim

But sometimes they are listed under “German Empire” which, as a collector of these items, is bothering me a bit.
Especially puzzling to me is the case of these 3 railway tokens:
N#20415 - 100 Pfennig
N#20416  - 150 Pfennig
N#20417 - 200 Pfennig
Which could fit perfectly into the already existing issuer of “Cities of Nuremberg and Fürth”. Although they were used for something different than the classic 20 Pfennigs from there, they were still made out of the same reasons and circumstances than the others and are (at least here in germany) widely regarded as part of the Nürnberg/Fürth Notgeld.

Even more strangely is that Regensburg has an entire set of Tramway tokens in the same way that nürnberg did, and all of them are listed under German Empire:
N#149904
N#379267
N#292217
N#292216
N#274920
N#274921
N#141278
N#292213
N#141279
N#149900
N#141280
N#141281
I think these should go under “City of Regensburg”

The ones in my collection under german empire are these:
N#142063 - City of Plauen
N#79946 - City of Chemnitz
N#135144 - City of Chemnitz
N#80538 - City of Leipzig
N#50249 - City of Leipzig
But there are quite a few more under there that i think should be moved to their respective cities.

I know this post is quite messy, but i hope my point is understandable :)
Thank you
 

Hello,

this is one of the most horrendous things I have encountered, and not because some items are in different categories or issuers.

The baseline of this problem is what is an issuer and what should be placed in it.

We have specific issuer of German notgeld, with its subcategories (cities, districts etc..) for coins and notes that were issued by those entities(cities, towns, districts, etc.) during this era.

We also have tokens issued by private entities in those cities - merchants, factories, railways etc.. 

Now, it is easy to say we should add those private issues to specific issuers, but what if we have new situation, where there is no official coinage, and we would have private one? Because such issuer would not been created in the first place. And if we decide that merchant token from city of ABCD should be in issuer ABCD, where is the line where we should stop? If Berlin zoo creates a token, should we add it to the Berlin city issuer? 

Because all of these unresolved questions, we decided to have private notgeld in the main category, that would be German Empire for now. While government issued notgeld is within their own issuers.

Not great, not terrible…

Jarcek

Hello,

 

this is one of the most horrendous things I have encountered, and not because some items are in different categories or issuers.

 

The baseline of this problem is what is an issuer and what should be placed in it.

 

We have specific issuer of German notgeld, with its subcategories (cities, districts etc..) for coins and notes that were issued by those entities(cities, towns, districts, etc.) during this era.

 

We also have tokens issued by private entities in those cities - merchants, factories, railways etc.. 

 

Now, it is easy to say we should add those private issues to specific issuers, but what if we have new situation, where there is no official coinage, and we would have private one? Because such issuer would not been created in the first place. And if we decide that merchant token from city of ABCD should be in issuer ABCD, where is the line where we should stop? If Berlin zoo creates a token, should we add it to the Berlin city issuer? 

 

Because all of these unresolved questions, we decided to have private notgeld in the main category, that would be German Empire for now. While government issued notgeld is within their own issuers.

 

Not great, not terrible…

Yeah German Notgeld is a nightmare to classify, cause it's also on a weird gradient between coins and exonumia.

Okay, suggestion from my part. Instead of putting it under “German Empire” put it in this unspecified “German Notgeld” issuer:

It seems to be used for exactly that and i think it would be a lot nicer and fitting in there instead of having them alongside the official german empire mark.  
Especially cause they are now listed under the currency: “Mark (1873-1923)” instead of "German notgeld • Mark (1914-1924)

" which would be more fitting if they were in that  mentioned German Notgeld issuer. 

Actually hold on, This Notgeld issue is quite the rabbit hole :/ 
So many things are just broken and confusing. 
That unlisted Notgeld issuer is actually really strange. And then again Notgeld is in this weird spot between coins and exonumia. 

(i pressed  send to early, sorry i had to edit my comment)

The Cities i listed already have existing Notgeld issuers, like Regensburg, Leipzig and Plauen. So they wouldnt need new issuers.