Indian coin. Help with Persian script [решено]

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@Jérôme Thilly :) From a different post, it felt like you could read Persian. 
 

I was chatting with a gentleman and collector from Coimbatore. He said he could read Wallajah in here. 
 

I don’t know him personally and wasn’t sure if he was making stuff up :) Can anybody help? 

Not much is readable but it does not read as wallajah either. Show the other side as well and it might help to i.d

Vic

Thanks Vic! Weight is 1.1 gm and 10 mm

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=376483&cat=all&ppuser=&sortby=d&way=desc

Arnav

@coinwala seems different. Right? 

Yes, can you redo the script side, regards 

Arnav

Only 1.1g is surprising but the first thing is to forget Madura or Madurai as it's not from there, one side appears to have bits of lslamic script, not sure what the other side is

 

For numistmatic purposes it's Sultans of Madura which is  an lslamic dynasty, later came Nayaks of Madurai etc a Hindu dynasty, although an i is added to the name it's the same place. Likewise  on old coins Dehli is actually spelled H before L and not the other way round as for modern times. Can l identify your coin? err not yet but still looking

Vic

It is definitely NOT a Palani coin. Let me search and see if it is one of the known Mitchiner coins…

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possible image for my guy

Arnav

That side matches. But, the script side has no match to Palani one you posted 

what if it is a sultanate coin (see the image from different degrees of rotati9on) and sending better images will hel0p in attribution 

Arnav

Digitally processed 

Vic65

Only 1.1g is surprising but the first thing is to forget Madura or Madurai as it's not from there, one side appears to have bits of lslamic script, not sure what the other side is

 

For numistmatic purposes it's Sultans of Madura which is  an lslamic dynasty, later came Nayaks of Madurai etc a Hindu dynasty, although an i is added to the name it's the same place. Likewise  on old coins Dehli is actually spelled H before L and not the other way round as for modern times. Can l identify your coin? err not yet but still looking

Just a bit of history here Vic. The area was actually Madurai prior to the Sultanate as it was the seat of the Pandyan rule. However, when the Pandyan Civil War broke out, one of them ended up asking for help from the Delhi Sultanate and they ravaged the area and took control. They eventually broke away from the Delhi Sultanate and created the Madura Sultanate which lasted for about 100  years before it got overthrown by the Vijayanagar Empire. The nayakas were installed from that point on and the Pandyas moved their capital (or what remained of them) to Tinnevelly. This particular coin is no where near the devices of the Madura Sultanate and that can be ruled out definitively as you indicate.

 

That leads to the Arcots or the Deccan Sultanates, but I am not sure as I have not seen this type before…

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I had no idea the Pandyas moved south to tirunellvelli 
 

Just based on the lot my suspicion is it is one of Gujarat, Ahmednagar, Golconda, Bijapur sultanates or the arcot of nawab.  I look at all of them but got no clear match 
 

It was in the lot I got with a bunch of maDuran, Tanjore and vijaynagar coins 

Sramsrin

I had no idea the Pandyas moved south to tirunellvelli 
 

Just based on the lot my suspicion is it is one of Gujarat, Ahmednagar, Golconda, Bijapur sultanates or the arcot of nawab.  I look at all of them but got no clear match 
 

It was in the lot I got with a bunch of maDuran, Tanjore and vijaynagar coins 

My suggestion is you read https://archive.org/details/dli.csl.5955. It is a seminal work by the legendary Sastri. While there are areas that have been updated by later works, it is an outstanding book that is written in English.

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Thanks! I definitely will. I am now working through:  https://a.co/d/0iGJqF60

 

this seems like a good next book to read 

One breakthrough! the date says 1201. Must be Hirji date and so basically 1787. This means this must be Arcot or Hyderabad. Right? There was no other sultanates around that time. Right?

That gentleman blew my mind. He has a friend who shared a better version of this coin! i feel like I have tapped into a fountain of knowledge. Flag is in opposite direction But same motifs

ah 1201, only muslim kingdoms with simila4r coinage i believe were the nawab of arcot, regards

Arnav

@Vic65 @Quant-Geek anything?, I have not seen a coin like this before.

Arnav

and @Quant-Geek make 2 more sub issuers under https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=3262 

1)nayaks of dharmapuri (also on numista)

2) tirchuiliapalli for “shah e munbai” coins

thanks, Arnav

Arnav

@Sramsrin Very interesting but unfortunately i can't help you

Not being able to see the coin clearly has not helped us so I have enhanced the photo to make it more readable, Shailen Bhandare  has it as Nawāb of Arkat copper / lead cash. Obverse has pennant flying between sun and moon; reverse legend 'Wala Jāh sanah 120(6?)'

Vic

Looking closer I can see what looks like corrosion so it must be tin,  the flag with sun and moon become obvious when it's pointed out. I can't find another with the flag though

Vic

Let me check my resources for Arcot…

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Coinwalla

and @Quant-Geek make 2 more sub issuers under https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=3262 

1)nayaks of dharmapuri (also on numista)

2) tirchuiliapalli for “shah e munbai” coins

thanks, Arnav

I need to verify how to best lay this out. Its somewhat complicated…At the moment, there are so many coins missing and needs to be uploaded and catalogued in Zeno. That is my first priority at the moment.

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I CRACKED IT! I am fairly sure this is Wallajah, Nawab of Arcot coin

Evidence 1: The coin is dated 1201 Hirji. This is 1787 and coincides with reign of Wallajah

Evidence 2: The writing very likely says Wallajah

 

Evidence 3: The sun and moon that we see on the obverse was a common motif in Wallajah coins

This work is amazing! https://govtmuseumchennai.org/uploads/topics/16527873255719.pdf

The crescent moon and son is a very common motif for Arcot. “The Nawabsof Arcot issued coins bearing star, crescent moon or sun. These motifs prove that these Muslim rulers never forsake their faith during their rule. Even though they encouraged religious harmony.”

 

The main pending question I then had was: Did Arcot Nawabs actually issue coins around 1 gms. Answer is yes. Example: British Museum, London (Arcot 6, 49) Copper, 1.430 gm, 1.1 cm, 1.5 mm



 

I was just looking at that book and Krause and you already responded! While I downloaded that book earlier, I need to scan it again as the pictures are terrible. Luckily, the local university has that book…

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This was such a rush :) Made my week. 

Shailen Bhandare l mentioned above is one of the worlds leading experts in Oriental coins and keeper of the Ashmolean collection, Oxford

Vic

Thanks Vic! And you all are so inspiring!

Статус изменён на Решено (Sramsrin, 27 Мар 2026, 21:29)

Coinwalla

ah 1201, only muslim kingdoms with simila4r coinage i believe were the nawab of arcot, regards

i was correct afterall :)

Arnav

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