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Magnusarmand

Присоединился: 7 Апр 2013
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Отправлено: 8 Апр 2013, 02:39 #

I have a 1926 Gold Sovereign that has the likeness of King George V. On the back at the base of the horse, there is a mark that reads "M.P.". Is that the mint mark or an engraver's initials?

sujit_kumar Рецензент каталога

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Отправлено: 8 Апр 2013, 04:40 #

This one? https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22076.html

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Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 8 Апр 2013, 05:27 #

No. Whereas that one has only a M, P, or whatever, this has both an M and a P right next to each other where the mint mark is supposed to be.

ChrisHagen

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Отправлено: 8 Апр 2013, 14:31 #

It could be a modern bullion reproduction. I have read quite a bit of discussion about fake sovereigns made from real gold coming in from the Middle East. They will look "off", like they will have two mint marks (like yours), or a date on the coin not corresponding to the monarch of the coin (as though it were a mule), or other little weirdnesses.

Just my two cents (or sovereigns

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Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 01:37 #

Any way to tell without sending to a grading company? I don't have that sort of money to spend.

neilithic

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 01:40 #

From what little I know there were NO sovereigns with an MP mintmark. The only mintmarks were
S = Sydney, M = Melbourne, P = Perth, C = Ottowa, I = Bombay, SA = Pretoria
and the London mint used no mint marks.

eminem

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 01:48 #

Цитата: MagnusarmandAny way to tell without sending to a grading company? I don't have that sort of money to spend.

find a local dealer or coin show, or show us some pictures

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Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 02:24 #

I did buy it from a coin dealer locally and he said it was genuine. He never did say what country.
Here are some pics (if they will upload):

Sorry about the poor quality, my camera broke so I have to use my crappy phone.

eminem

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 02:38 #

hmmm I can't tell much from the photos, but why would you buy something when you didn't even know what it was???!!??

silly, I'd advise going back to him and just asking for some more info. Hopefully it's genuine, and if there are any other coin dealers in the area a second opinion wouldn't hurt

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Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 03:05 #

I asked several dealers about it and they said it was genuine from that time period and had the same mass as the original coins. They said the M.P. might be an engraver's initials like the V.D.B. found on some wheat pennies.

neilithic

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 03:16 #

It could be, there appears to be an MP on these ones from 1926 as well as the mint mark

http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/1926sovereign.html

Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 03:25 #

I just noticed that I had over looked the mint mark. Don't know why i missed it. It appears to be an SA.

neilithic

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 04:06 #

Pretoria mint, South Africa, that's the most common mint with over 11,000,000 minted there in that year.

Mark240590

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 07:52 #

MP Is the engraver of the reverses' initials I think its Mario Pistrucci or something lol.
If there's no letter within the "ground" on the image in the dead centre it'll be a London mint.

ZacUK Numista team

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 08:25 #

http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/mintsandmintmarks.html

http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/information.html

I added the purple arrows - the left is the mint mark (at centre of base of design), and the right is the designer's initials (to right of date). That one shown is 1926S for Sydney designed by Benedetto Pistrucci.

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Mark240590

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 11:15 #

Aha yeah - I'm thinking of Mauro Picotto, the trance DJ !

Magnusarmand

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Отправлено: 9 Апр 2013, 22:35 #

Thank you all. I feel sort of stupid for mixing those marks up,but I am not very good with foreign coins (non--United States). I guess I could consider this a brief foray into foreign coins.

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