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Is it true that most coin collectors are history enthusiasts or at least interested in history in general ?

I have always associated coin collecting with a passion for history. But maybe it's just me that gets lost in endless wikipedia chains whenever I get a new coin.
Maybe the One-Coin-From-Every-Country collectors are passionate about traveling (or geography) - to daydream about the sights and lands of far-away countries (my great-uncle was a navigator and always took coins wherever he went to remind him of that place).
Maybe the silver collectors just like shiny things !
American Coin Roll Hunters probably don't care about any of that stuff and are just in it for the money I guess.

I know, I know, "collector" is a personality trait and sometimes the explanation probably is "collecting" itself.

What I'm trying to find out here is if there is some other field of study that seems to interest most coin collectors, and if my association of numismatics with history is just a bias.

Thank you. :)
I love the history. I also like geography and shiny things! :P  But really, I also end up with a string of Wikipedia articles every time I get a new coin. You are not alone!
Not really.
I'm studying accounting and finance, and collect coins/banknotes. It seems fitting, lol.

But really, it's a mixture of : I like collecting & I like money. There's also the fact that it could be looked at not only as a hobby, but also an investment. All of these factors fuel my interest.
I'm in love with history.  I get lost in articles as well.  After I look up the value of a coin, I'll look up the ruler of the region at the time.  That usually brings out some interesting stories.
"What we are is not as important as what we aren't"
I studied history and now teach history and personally that is the draw for me. I focus on commemorative coins because I like to learn about the events and people they portray. It can teach you a lot about a country...though my commemoratives shouldn't be confused with the crap some mints put out these days. I had this discussion with my local coin store owner and he said most of the people that come in are history buffs...

also as far as roll hunting goes, I like to do it sometimes and yes finding silver is a nice monetary bonus, but I just like to find old coins and think about where the coin was and who may have used it. so I enjoy buffalo nickels and wheat pennies too
I like the Irish gun money coinage especially of May 1690.. Being a Catholic I would have followed the Jacobite rebels and fought valiantly. The coins have the month of minting on them too.. I really need a May 1690 because it's month accurate to 300 years before I was born !!
I would not say I am fanatical about history, but I do like it. Although usually I just wish I would have more time to read up and look up what I want to. I haven't had much to do with history for a while. Life has been hectic. But some books await reading and some documentaries watching...there is so many documentaries I'd like to watch, but I like documentaries in general as well, about nature and stuff, not just history.
Just no bloody time in my day left. Seriously. But it's mostly good stuff.
I collect coins because they have years on them.

I am a time traveler.
Цитата: CeruleanI collect coins because they have years on them.

I am a time traveler.
 Nice!! :O
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything
Coin collecting is related to many things. History is one of them, or at least it was for me. I always was passionate in history and coin collecting is a formidable way to tell and to learn history, or even to live it. When you have on hand a Reichspfennig  for example you can imagine living those WWII days, who knows who possessed it maybe even Hitler!

But I have known many collectors with different aims, many collect animals or flowers because they like botanic's, I must say that I know many women that are this type of collector.

Some collect important persons, I have known a collector who collected just the coins related to music, or depicting famous musicians, compositors. Some like ships, and this is very popular theme.

And some just like to make money, so hoard, not collect to resell when favorable!
Check my coins for sale:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/lidianb
https://www.facebook.com/lidianbcoins/  
Цитата: Heretic_CataBut maybe it's just me that gets lost in endless wikipedia chains whenever I get a new coin.
 I have learned so much this very same way. Endless Wikipedia chains from one little coin! Then I bore my friends with my new knowledge, I can't figure out how they don't get interested in history?
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
This year I learnt about:

The Swedish war with Russia
The Order of Malta
Maria Theresia
Why a dollar is called a dollar
Why a pound is called a pound
The year 1746 for 2 reasons - the battle of Culloden and stealing Spain's silver and about the word "Lima" being added to British coins that year
Maundy Money
Conder tokens and the cartwheel penny (made with 1d's worth of copper to prevent counterfeits)
Many other wasted hours on Wikipedia...

I am entering year 2 of coin collecting on Jan 1st, I wonder what useless knoweldge is to come!
This is a good topic. I love history too. None of the information anybody has learnt so far is useless. I love finding out about certain countries' history.
I love heraldry and understanding different houses of power.
I love all the useless info from everywhere. And I like to call it useless info, even though I know no knowledge is useless. But as it goes, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know...

I am usually unloading all this random info on my other half at random times. Usually he's interested and listens, but sometimes when I go into depths with some coin's history I see this amused look on his face as if to say "oh here we go again". Then again, he gives me same kind of useless info about his hobbies which is great.

I'm fortunate to have few people at work to discuss stuff as well, otherwise you'd be braindead in this place. The silliest random questions come up, like what have easter bunnies to do with Jesus, who invented ballpoint pen (the dudes name was Biro btw), why is Santa Claus from Finland, how did Tiger Balm come about and who gave it that name and why, and so on... mind you the easter bunny question is still mystery.

Info is cool, be it historical or not.
Bunnies represent new life. The gestation period of rabbits is short and they have many bunnies.
At Easter eggs are a symbol of New Life and also a pagan symbol of fertility.
Yay, I offered that opinion in Easter bunny mystery, but I said it is just a thought, haven't still Googled it. Thanks :)
Цитата: bam777This is a good topic. I love history too. None of the information anybody has learnt so far is useless. I love finding out about certain countries' history.
I love heraldry and understanding different houses of power.
I like it too. It makes me laugh. :8D  :8D
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything

Hi everyone ! 

I'm probably lost and didn't find a topic that already exist but I was wandering if someone knows a site who refers the history of every coins ? We have a certain amounts of informations on Numista but not many pages about the history around the coin itself. I also love endless wiki but if they were a site that collects all of this informations, I would love to know it.

 

Thanks !

I only now Currency wiki (it's limited in size and has varying quality articles) and Wikipedia (certain languages have coin specific entries that can be quite good). But there is of course no real Wikipedia like site for every Numismatic item. You have to read the countless books that cover various numismatic topics in a broader to a very specialized way.

This is an interesting site at least for some history of currency for each country. Probably not as detailed as you're looking for though.  https://onlinecoin.club/Coins/

Thanks to both of you, I'll take your advice in consideration and check out that site !

 

I'm being crazy here but wouldn't it be awesome if we could add this kind of features on Numista ? 

I've found that the more advanced AI models are pretty good at giving a bit of history for coins.  Below is an example of the output for a sixpence from Google Gemini in Deep Research mode. Just be aware that the normal Google 2.5 pro mode is very bad at this, it gets the catalogue reference numbers, mintages and grading wrong more than half the time. I use it as a jumping off point. You always have to check what it says. But, I've learned a few things along the way.

 

An Expert Numismatic Analysis and Valuation of a 1961 United Kingdom Sixpence

 

Introduction

 

This report provides a comprehensive numismatic analysis of the coin presented in the submitted images. The request for an exhaustive identification, including historical context, condition assessment, error analysis, and valuation, has been fully addressed. The subject of this analysis is a pre-decimal British coin from the latter half of the twentieth century, an era of significant social, economic, and monetary change for the United Kingdom. This document is structured to deliver a definitive identification of the piece, followed by a detailed exploration of its historical and cultural significance, a formal analysis of its design, a professional assessment of its physical condition, and a concluding market valuation. The analysis synthesizes data from authoritative numismatic catalogues, historical records, and current market trends to provide a report that is both thorough and insightful for the collector.

 

Section 1: Definitive Identification and Technical Specifications

 

The coin submitted for analysis is definitively identified as a Sixpence of the United Kingdom, dated 1961. It was issued during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II (1952-2022). All circulation coins of this type and period were struck at the   

 

Royal Mint, which at the time was located at Tower Hill in London. British coins of this era do not bear mint marks unless they were produced at a branch mint for colonial use; as this coin was intended for domestic circulation, it correctly lacks a mint mark.   

 

The mintage for this specific year was substantial, with 115,052,000 pieces produced for circulation, making it a very common date within the series. The coin's composition is   

 

Copper-Nickel (Cupronickel), an alloy consisting of 75% copper and 25% nickel. It is critical to note that coins of this date contain no silver, a change that occurred in 1947.   

 

The physical measurements provided (Mass: 2.73 grams, Diameter: 19.3 mm) are consistent with the official specifications for this issue. The standard weight is 2.83 grams, and the standard diameter is approximately 19.3 mm to 19.5 mm. The minor discrepancy in mass of 0.1 grams is well within the expected tolerance for a coin that has experienced moderate circulation, as metal is lost through friction and wear over time.   

 

For cataloguing purposes, the correct Krause (KM) number for this coin is KM# 903. It is important for the collector to be aware that a persistent error exists on some online marketplace platforms, where this coin is incorrectly listed as KM# 130. This appears to be a data entry error that has been propagated through copied listings. Authoritative numismatic references, including the Standard Catalog of World Coins (Krause), Numista, and grading services like NGC, uniformly confirm that KM# 903 is the correct designation for the 1954-1970 Elizabeth II sixpence series. The corresponding reference in the Standard Catalogue of British Coins (Spink) is  Sp# 4149.   

 

The following table consolidates the definitive specifications for this coin.

Table 1: Summary of Specifications

 

Country of Origin

United Kingdom

Monarch

Elizabeth II (1952-2022)

Denomination

6 Pence (Sixpence)

Year of Mintage

1961

Mint

Royal Mint, London (No Mint Mark)

Mintage Figure

115,052,000

Composition

75% Copper, 25% Nickel

Standard Weight

2.83 g

Standard Diameter

19.3 mm

Edge

Reeded

Orientation

Medal Alignment (↑↑)

Krause (KM) Number

KM# 903

Spink (Sp) Number

Sp# 4149

 

Section 2: The Life and Times of the British Sixpence

 

The 1961 sixpence is more than a simple piece of currency; it is a tangible link to a 400-year history and a rich tapestry of British culture. First struck in 1551 during the reign of Edward VI, the sixpence was introduced to stabilize a currency system reeling from the debasement of the silver testoon under Henry VIII. It quickly became a workhorse of the British economy, remaining in continuous production under every subsequent monarch until its final circulation issue in 1967. The coin was formally demonetized on 30 June 1980, nearly a decade after the United Kingdom's transition to a decimal currency system.   

 

The metallic composition of the sixpence serves as a remarkable economic barometer of the twentieth century's global crises. For centuries, the coin was struck in 92.5% sterling silver. This changed dramatically after the First World War. The immense cost of the war, coupled with a sharp rise in global silver prices, made it economically untenable for the UK to continue minting coins whose intrinsic bullion value was approaching their face value. Consequently, in 1920, the silver content of the sixpence was debased to 50%. A second, more final change came in the aftermath of the Second World War. Burdened by enormous war debts, particularly to the United States, Britain could no longer afford to use any precious metal in its circulating coinage. In 1947, the silver was removed entirely, and the sixpence became a cupronickel coin, the same composition as the 1961 specimen under review. Thus, the coin's base metal composition is not merely a technical detail but a physical scar left by the economic devastation of two world wars.   

 

Despite its humble metallic content in later years, the sixpence held a powerful and cherished place in British culture as a symbol of good luck. This status is most famously encapsulated in two enduring traditions. The first is the wedding rhyme, "Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue, and a silver sixpence in her shoe". The father of the bride would place the coin in her shoe as a wish for wealth and prosperity in her marriage. The tradition continued long after the coin ceased to be silver, demonstrating that the symbolic power of the "sixpence" had become more important than its material reality. The 1961 cupronickel coin was commonly used for this purpose, its identity as a sixpence being sufficient to carry the symbolic weight of the custom.   

 

The second tradition is the Christmas custom of hiding a sixpence in the Christmas pudding. This practice, which dates to the Victorian era, was often performed on "Stir-Up Sunday," the last Sunday before Advent, when the family would gather to prepare the pudding. The person who found the coin in their portion on Christmas Day was believed to be blessed with good luck and wealth for the coming year.   

 

The deep cultural affection for the sixpence had a direct impact on its monetary lifespan. When the UK decimalized its currency on 15 February 1971, most of the old £sd coins were withdrawn. The sixpence, however, was so well-loved that there was a public campaign to save it. The government relented, and the coin was allowed to remain in circulation with a new value of 2.5 new pence. This was an awkward value in a decimal system, yet the coin's cultural importance granted it a stay of execution until it was finally withdrawn in 1980. Its survival for nine years into the decimal era is a testament to the power of cultural sentiment influencing government monetary policy.   

 

Section 3: Design Analysis: A Union of Emblems

 

The designs of the 1961 sixpence represent a blend of modern royal portraiture and traditional national symbolism.

 

Obverse

 

The obverse features the celebrated "First Portrait" of Queen Elizabeth II, created by the sculptor Mary Gillick. This portrait was used on British coinage from 1953 until the adoption of a new portrait in 1968. Gillick's design was widely praised for its fresh, youthful, and approachable style. It depicts the young monarch facing right, wearing a laurel wreath in the classical tradition, but notably without a crown. This less formal representation broke with the more rigid, crowned effigies of her immediate predecessors, George V and George VI. The continuous legend around the portrait reads   

 

+ ELIZABETH · II · DEI · GRATIA · REGINA, which is Latin for "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen". The artist's initials, M.G., are skillfully integrated incuse into the truncation of the Queen's shoulder and are visible on well-preserved specimens.   

 

Reverse

 

The reverse design is a powerful and elegant piece of national symbolism, created jointly by the artists Edgar Fuller and Cecil Thomas. The design is a carefully composed floral arrangement featuring four distinct plants, each representing one of the constituent nations of the United Kingdom. These are the Tudor Rose for England, the Thistle for Scotland, the Shamrock for Northern Ireland, and the Leek for Wales.   

 

This design is more than a simple botanical collection; it is a deliberate political statement. The plants are not depicted as separate elements but are shown as intertwined, growing from a common stem. This imagery was conceived in the post-World War II period, a time of immense change for Britain. The nation was recovering from war, the British Empire was beginning its dissolution, and the country was redefining its role on the world stage. In this context, a design that visually emphasizes the unity, shared roots, and interconnectedness of the four home nations projects a strong message of internal cohesion and stability. It is a miniature emblem of post-war British identity, a piece of national branding meant for the pockets of every citizen.

The artists' initials, E·F for Edgar Fuller and C·T for Cecil Thomas, are discreetly placed to the left and right of the shamrock's stem, respectively. The inscription is split into two parts. The denomination and date,   

 

SIX PENCE · 1961, appear at the bottom. At the top, flanking the rose, is the inscription FID · DEF ·, an abbreviation of the Latin title FIDEI DEFENSOR, or "Defender of the Faith." This title was first granted to King Henry VIII by the Pope in 1521 and has been used by English and British monarchs ever since.   

 

Section 4: Condition Assessment and Numismatic Grade

 

The value of a collectible coin is intrinsically linked to its state of preservation. The process of assigning a grade is a subjective art, but it is guided by established standards. In the United Kingdom, a descriptive system (e.g., Fine, Very Fine, Extremely Fine) is traditionally used, while in the United States, the numerical Sheldon Scale (from 1 to 70) is the standard. For clarity, this assessment will provide both.   

 

A meticulous examination of the high-resolution images of the subject coin reveals the following details:

Obverse: The coin shows clear evidence of moderate circulation. There is noticeable flattening on the highest points of the design, particularly across the strands of Queen Elizabeth's hair above her ear and on the ribbon that ties the laurel wreath. The contour of her cheekbone and jawline has softened. While the legend is complete and fully legible, the letters lack the sharp, crisp edges of a higher-grade coin.

Reverse: The wear is consistent with that seen on the obverse. The central petals of the Tudor rose and the delicate, spiky top of the thistle show significant wear and have lost their finer details. The intricate veins within the leaves of the shamrock and leek have become indistinct and are beginning to merge with the main body of the leaves.

Fields and Lustre: The fields (the flat background surfaces) of the coin exhibit numerous small contact marks, minor scratches, and a general lack of brilliance. There is no remaining original mint lustre, which is the satiny or frosty sheen seen on uncirculated coins. The coin has a somewhat dull, uniform grey patina typical of a circulated cupronickel piece. The reeded edge is intact but shows minor nicks and general wear consistent with the faces of the coin.   

 

Based on this comprehensive analysis, the coin is assigned a numismatic grade of Very Fine (VF). It clearly surpasses the lower 'Fine' (F) grade, which would exhibit much heavier wear with major design elements worn nearly smooth. However, it does not meet the criteria for 'Extremely Fine' (EF), which requires that wear be confined to only the very highest points of the design and often retains some traces of mint lustre. In the context of the Sheldon Scale, this grade corresponds to approximately VF-20.

 

Section 5: Examination for Mint Errors and Varieties

 

A thorough inspection of the coin under magnification reveals that it is a normal strike. There are no discernible mint errors, such as off-center striking, clipped planchets, die cracks, die clashes, or significant die doubling. The coin appears to be a standard product of the Royal Mint for that year.

While this specific specimen is normal, it is valuable for the collector to know that mint errors on 1961 sixpences do exist and are highly sought after. For example, a 1961 British sixpence with a partial collar error has been professionally certified by PCGS in MS62 condition, confirming that such anomalies were produced and have survived. Other error types known on sixpences from this era include clipped planchets and mis-strikes.   

 

This leads to a fascinating aspect of error collecting: the paradox of rarity within commonality. With a massive mintage of 115 million, the 1961 sixpence is an archetypal common coin. However, the sheer scale of this production run means that even with a tiny statistical error rate, a larger absolute number of error coins were likely produced compared to a year with a much smaller mintage. While most of these would have been caught by quality control or lost to the rigors of circulation, the high initial number increases the probability that some examples will survive to be found by discerning collectors. Therefore, even the most common coins in a collection are worthy of close inspection.

 

Regarding die varieties, extensive research of numismatic catalogues and specialized resources confirms that there are no major, recognized die varieties for the 1961 United Kingdom sixpence. This makes the issue relatively straightforward for collectors, unlike other dates in the series, such as the 1955 sixpence (which has minor reverse varieties) or the 1964 and 1965 issues (which have minor obverse varieties).   

 

Section 6: Market Valuation and Collector's Perspective

 

The market value of the 1961 sixpence is almost entirely dependent on its condition, a concept known as "condition rarity." Because the coin itself is extremely common, examples in circulated grades carry very little premium over their face value history. However, specimens that were saved from circulation and remain in pristine, uncirculated condition are genuinely scarce and command significantly higher prices.

 

Valuation of the Subject Coin

 

Given its assessed grade of Very Fine (VF) and its status as a common-date, non-precious metal coin, the estimated retail market value for this specific specimen is $1.00 to $2.50 USD. This valuation is consistent with prices observed on various online dealer sites and marketplaces for similar circulated examples.   

 

Comparative Valuation by Grade

 

To illustrate the principle of condition rarity, the following table provides estimated retail values for the 1961 sixpence across a spectrum of grades. This demonstrates how the value curve rises exponentially as the coin approaches a perfect, as-struck state.

Table 2: Comparative Valuation by Grade (USD)

Grade (UK/US)

Description

Estimated Retail Value (USD)

 

Fine (F-12)

Heavily worn, major details flat.

$0.50 – $1.00

 

Very Fine (VF-20)

Moderate wear on high points. (This Coin)

$1.00 – $2.50

 

Extremely Fine (EF-40)

Light wear on highest points only.

$2.00 – $4.00

About Uncirculated (AU-55)

Traces of wear, much lustre remains.

$4.00 – $8.00   

 

Uncirculated (MS-62)

No wear, some marks from minting.

$10.00 – $20.00

Choice Uncirculated (MS-64)

Strong lustre, few marks.

$30.00 – $60.00   

 

Gem Uncirculated (MS-66)

Superb lustre and eye appeal.

$80.00 – $125.00+   

 

Collector's Perspective: The True Rarities

 

While the 1961 sixpence is a common coin, a collector seeking rare and valuable sixpences from this general period should focus on two key dates:

The 1952 Sixpence: This is the key circulation-strike date of the mid-twentieth century. Issued in the final year of King George VI's reign, it has a very low mintage of just 1,013,477. In any grade, it is significantly scarcer and more valuable than any of the standard Elizabeth II circulation issues.   

 

The 1970 Sixpence: This is the definitive key date for the Elizabeth II floral design series. It was not issued for circulation. Instead, it was only included in the final pre-decimal Proof sets produced for collectors. With a mintage of only  750,400 and its special proof-only status, it is the most valuable coin of the type.   

 

Conclusion

 

The coin under review is definitively identified as a 1961 United Kingdom Sixpence in Very Fine (VF) condition. Struck in cupronickel at the Royal Mint in London, it is a common-date coin with a mintage of over 115 million pieces. It exhibits no discernible mint errors or recognized die varieties.

The monetary value of this specific coin is modest, estimated between $1.00 and $2.50 USD. Its value, like that of most modern, high-mintage coins, is dictated not by its intrinsic rarity but by its state of preservation. While circulated examples are common, uncirculated specimens are considerably scarcer and more valuable, illustrating the key numismatic principle of condition rarity.

However, the true value of this sixpence lies not in its market price but in its immense historical and cultural significance. It is a direct link to Britain's post-war history, a physical artifact shaped by the economic realities of the twentieth century. It is a symbol of the end of the centuries-old £sd monetary system and a testament to the power of public affection in the world of currency. Most of all, it remains a beloved icon of British folklore—the "lucky sixpence" of weddings and Christmas puddings. It is a perfect example of how even the most common of objects can hold the richest of stories, making it a worthy and fascinating addition to any collection.

 

If anyone is interested, here are the instructions I provided it: 

 

Identify the coin in the attached images. Include country of origin, year minted, mint if known, metallic composition (be specific, for example 95% Cu, 25% Ni), try to identify the correct KM number. Give any interesting historical information regarding the production and use of the coin. Attempt to assign a numismatic grade to the coin. Examine the coin for the presence of any mint errors. Give an estimate of this coins value in USD. List any particularly rare or valuable coins of the same type. If the item presented is an example of exonumia, try to identify it and give a bit of historical context if possible. Do not trap yourself into giving a firm identification if the provenance is unknown to you. It is ok to say you don't know. 

Mass is 2.73 grams.

Diameter is 19.3mm.

Thickness is 1.1 mm

Edge is reeded.

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I've found that the more advanced AI models are pretty good at giving a bit of history for coins.  Below is an example of the output for a sixpence from Google Gemini in Deep Research mode. Just be aware that the normal Google 2.5 pro mode is very bad at this, it gets the catalogue reference numbers, mintages and grading wrong more than half the time. I use it as a jumping off point. You always have to check what it says. But, I've learned a few things along the way.

 

An Expert Numismatic Analysis and Valuation of a 1961 United Kingdom Sixpence

 

Introduction

 

This report provides a comprehensive numismatic analysis of the coin presented in the submitted images. The request for an exhaustive identification, including historical context, condition assessment, error analysis, and valuation, has been fully addressed. The subject of this analysis is a pre-decimal British coin from the latter half of the twentieth century, an era of significant social, economic, and monetary change for the United Kingdom. This document is structured to deliver a definitive identification of the piece, followed by a detailed exploration of its historical and cultural significance, a formal analysis of its design, a professional assessment of its physical condition, and a concluding market valuation. The analysis synthesizes data from authoritative numismatic catalogues, historical records, and current market trends to provide a report that is both thorough and insightful for the collector.

 

Section 1: Definitive Identification and Technical Specifications

 

The coin submitted for analysis is definitively identified as a Sixpence of the United Kingdom, dated 1961. It was issued during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II (1952-2022). All circulation coins of this type and period were struck at the   

 

Royal Mint, which at the time was located at Tower Hill in London. British coins of this era do not bear mint marks unless they were produced at a branch mint for colonial use; as this coin was intended for domestic circulation, it correctly lacks a mint mark.   

 

The mintage for this specific year was substantial, with 115,052,000 pieces produced for circulation, making it a very common date within the series. The coin's composition is   

 

Copper-Nickel (Cupronickel), an alloy consisting of 75% copper and 25% nickel. It is critical to note that coins of this date contain no silver, a change that occurred in 1947.   

 

The physical measurements provided (Mass: 2.73 grams, Diameter: 19.3 mm) are consistent with the official specifications for this issue. The standard weight is 2.83 grams, and the standard diameter is approximately 19.3 mm to 19.5 mm. The minor discrepancy in mass of 0.1 grams is well within the expected tolerance for a coin that has experienced moderate circulation, as metal is lost through friction and wear over time.   

 

For cataloguing purposes, the correct Krause (KM) number for this coin is KM# 903. It is important for the collector to be aware that a persistent error exists on some online marketplace platforms, where this coin is incorrectly listed as KM# 130. This appears to be a data entry error that has been propagated through copied listings. Authoritative numismatic references, including the Standard Catalog of World Coins (Krause), Numista, and grading services like NGC, uniformly confirm that KM# 903 is the correct designation for the 1954-1970 Elizabeth II sixpence series. The corresponding reference in the Standard Catalogue of British Coins (Spink) is  Sp# 4149.   

 

The following table consolidates the definitive specifications for this coin.

Table 1: Summary of Specifications

 

Country of Origin

United Kingdom

Monarch

Elizabeth II (1952-2022)

Denomination

6 Pence (Sixpence)

Year of Mintage

1961

Mint

Royal Mint, London (No Mint Mark)

Mintage Figure

115,052,000

Composition

75% Copper, 25% Nickel

Standard Weight

2.83 g

Standard Diameter

19.3 mm

Edge

Reeded

Orientation

Medal Alignment (↑↑)

Krause (KM) Number

KM# 903

Spink (Sp) Number

Sp# 4149

 

Section 2: The Life and Times of the British Sixpence

 

The 1961 sixpence is more than a simple piece of currency; it is a tangible link to a 400-year history and a rich tapestry of British culture. First struck in 1551 during the reign of Edward VI, the sixpence was introduced to stabilize a currency system reeling from the debasement of the silver testoon under Henry VIII. It quickly became a workhorse of the British economy, remaining in continuous production under every subsequent monarch until its final circulation issue in 1967. The coin was formally demonetized on 30 June 1980, nearly a decade after the United Kingdom's transition to a decimal currency system.   

 

The metallic composition of the sixpence serves as a remarkable economic barometer of the twentieth century's global crises. For centuries, the coin was struck in 92.5% sterling silver. This changed dramatically after the First World War. The immense cost of the war, coupled with a sharp rise in global silver prices, made it economically untenable for the UK to continue minting coins whose intrinsic bullion value was approaching their face value. Consequently, in 1920, the silver content of the sixpence was debased to 50%. A second, more final change came in the aftermath of the Second World War. Burdened by enormous war debts, particularly to the United States, Britain could no longer afford to use any precious metal in its circulating coinage. In 1947, the silver was removed entirely, and the sixpence became a cupronickel coin, the same composition as the 1961 specimen under review. Thus, the coin's base metal composition is not merely a technical detail but a physical scar left by the economic devastation of two world wars.   

 

Despite its humble metallic content in later years, the sixpence held a powerful and cherished place in British culture as a symbol of good luck. This status is most famously encapsulated in two enduring traditions. The first is the wedding rhyme, "Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue, and a silver sixpence in her shoe". The father of the bride would place the coin in her shoe as a wish for wealth and prosperity in her marriage. The tradition continued long after the coin ceased to be silver, demonstrating that the symbolic power of the "sixpence" had become more important than its material reality. The 1961 cupronickel coin was commonly used for this purpose, its identity as a sixpence being sufficient to carry the symbolic weight of the custom.   

 

The second tradition is the Christmas custom of hiding a sixpence in the Christmas pudding. This practice, which dates to the Victorian era, was often performed on "Stir-Up Sunday," the last Sunday before Advent, when the family would gather to prepare the pudding. The person who found the coin in their portion on Christmas Day was believed to be blessed with good luck and wealth for the coming year.   

 

The deep cultural affection for the sixpence had a direct impact on its monetary lifespan. When the UK decimalized its currency on 15 February 1971, most of the old £sd coins were withdrawn. The sixpence, however, was so well-loved that there was a public campaign to save it. The government relented, and the coin was allowed to remain in circulation with a new value of 2.5 new pence. This was an awkward value in a decimal system, yet the coin's cultural importance granted it a stay of execution until it was finally withdrawn in 1980. Its survival for nine years into the decimal era is a testament to the power of cultural sentiment influencing government monetary policy.   

 

Section 3: Design Analysis: A Union of Emblems

 

The designs of the 1961 sixpence represent a blend of modern royal portraiture and traditional national symbolism.

 

Obverse

 

The obverse features the celebrated "First Portrait" of Queen Elizabeth II, created by the sculptor Mary Gillick. This portrait was used on British coinage from 1953 until the adoption of a new portrait in 1968. Gillick's design was widely praised for its fresh, youthful, and approachable style. It depicts the young monarch facing right, wearing a laurel wreath in the classical tradition, but notably without a crown. This less formal representation broke with the more rigid, crowned effigies of her immediate predecessors, George V and George VI. The continuous legend around the portrait reads   

 

+ ELIZABETH · II · DEI · GRATIA · REGINA, which is Latin for "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen". The artist's initials, M.G., are skillfully integrated incuse into the truncation of the Queen's shoulder and are visible on well-preserved specimens.   

 

Reverse

 

The reverse design is a powerful and elegant piece of national symbolism, created jointly by the artists Edgar Fuller and Cecil Thomas. The design is a carefully composed floral arrangement featuring four distinct plants, each representing one of the constituent nations of the United Kingdom. These are the Tudor Rose for England, the Thistle for Scotland, the Shamrock for Northern Ireland, and the Leek for Wales.   

 

This design is more than a simple botanical collection; it is a deliberate political statement. The plants are not depicted as separate elements but are shown as intertwined, growing from a common stem. This imagery was conceived in the post-World War II period, a time of immense change for Britain. The nation was recovering from war, the British Empire was beginning its dissolution, and the country was redefining its role on the world stage. In this context, a design that visually emphasizes the unity, shared roots, and interconnectedness of the four home nations projects a strong message of internal cohesion and stability. It is a miniature emblem of post-war British identity, a piece of national branding meant for the pockets of every citizen.

The artists' initials, E·F for Edgar Fuller and C·T for Cecil Thomas, are discreetly placed to the left and right of the shamrock's stem, respectively. The inscription is split into two parts. The denomination and date,   

 

SIX PENCE · 1961, appear at the bottom. At the top, flanking the rose, is the inscription FID · DEF ·, an abbreviation of the Latin title FIDEI DEFENSOR, or "Defender of the Faith." This title was first granted to King Henry VIII by the Pope in 1521 and has been used by English and British monarchs ever since.   

 

Section 4: Condition Assessment and Numismatic Grade

 

The value of a collectible coin is intrinsically linked to its state of preservation. The process of assigning a grade is a subjective art, but it is guided by established standards. In the United Kingdom, a descriptive system (e.g., Fine, Very Fine, Extremely Fine) is traditionally used, while in the United States, the numerical Sheldon Scale (from 1 to 70) is the standard. For clarity, this assessment will provide both.   

 

A meticulous examination of the high-resolution images of the subject coin reveals the following details:

Obverse: The coin shows clear evidence of moderate circulation. There is noticeable flattening on the highest points of the design, particularly across the strands of Queen Elizabeth's hair above her ear and on the ribbon that ties the laurel wreath. The contour of her cheekbone and jawline has softened. While the legend is complete and fully legible, the letters lack the sharp, crisp edges of a higher-grade coin.

Reverse: The wear is consistent with that seen on the obverse. The central petals of the Tudor rose and the delicate, spiky top of the thistle show significant wear and have lost their finer details. The intricate veins within the leaves of the shamrock and leek have become indistinct and are beginning to merge with the main body of the leaves.

Fields and Lustre: The fields (the flat background surfaces) of the coin exhibit numerous small contact marks, minor scratches, and a general lack of brilliance. There is no remaining original mint lustre, which is the satiny or frosty sheen seen on uncirculated coins. The coin has a somewhat dull, uniform grey patina typical of a circulated cupronickel piece. The reeded edge is intact but shows minor nicks and general wear consistent with the faces of the coin.   

 

Based on this comprehensive analysis, the coin is assigned a numismatic grade of Very Fine (VF). It clearly surpasses the lower 'Fine' (F) grade, which would exhibit much heavier wear with major design elements worn nearly smooth. However, it does not meet the criteria for 'Extremely Fine' (EF), which requires that wear be confined to only the very highest points of the design and often retains some traces of mint lustre. In the context of the Sheldon Scale, this grade corresponds to approximately VF-20.

 

Section 5: Examination for Mint Errors and Varieties

 

A thorough inspection of the coin under magnification reveals that it is a normal strike. There are no discernible mint errors, such as off-center striking, clipped planchets, die cracks, die clashes, or significant die doubling. The coin appears to be a standard product of the Royal Mint for that year.

While this specific specimen is normal, it is valuable for the collector to know that mint errors on 1961 sixpences do exist and are highly sought after. For example, a 1961 British sixpence with a partial collar error has been professionally certified by PCGS in MS62 condition, confirming that such anomalies were produced and have survived. Other error types known on sixpences from this era include clipped planchets and mis-strikes.   

 

This leads to a fascinating aspect of error collecting: the paradox of rarity within commonality. With a massive mintage of 115 million, the 1961 sixpence is an archetypal common coin. However, the sheer scale of this production run means that even with a tiny statistical error rate, a larger absolute number of error coins were likely produced compared to a year with a much smaller mintage. While most of these would have been caught by quality control or lost to the rigors of circulation, the high initial number increases the probability that some examples will survive to be found by discerning collectors. Therefore, even the most common coins in a collection are worthy of close inspection.

 

Regarding die varieties, extensive research of numismatic catalogues and specialized resources confirms that there are no major, recognized die varieties for the 1961 United Kingdom sixpence. This makes the issue relatively straightforward for collectors, unlike other dates in the series, such as the 1955 sixpence (which has minor reverse varieties) or the 1964 and 1965 issues (which have minor obverse varieties).   

 

Section 6: Market Valuation and Collector's Perspective

 

The market value of the 1961 sixpence is almost entirely dependent on its condition, a concept known as "condition rarity." Because the coin itself is extremely common, examples in circulated grades carry very little premium over their face value history. However, specimens that were saved from circulation and remain in pristine, uncirculated condition are genuinely scarce and command significantly higher prices.

 

Valuation of the Subject Coin

 

Given its assessed grade of Very Fine (VF) and its status as a common-date, non-precious metal coin, the estimated retail market value for this specific specimen is $1.00 to $2.50 USD. This valuation is consistent with prices observed on various online dealer sites and marketplaces for similar circulated examples.   

 

Comparative Valuation by Grade

 

To illustrate the principle of condition rarity, the following table provides estimated retail values for the 1961 sixpence across a spectrum of grades. This demonstrates how the value curve rises exponentially as the coin approaches a perfect, as-struck state.

Table 2: Comparative Valuation by Grade (USD)

Grade (UK/US)

Description

Estimated Retail Value (USD)

 

Fine (F-12)

Heavily worn, major details flat.

$0.50 – $1.00

 

Very Fine (VF-20)

Moderate wear on high points. (This Coin)

$1.00 – $2.50

 

Extremely Fine (EF-40)

Light wear on highest points only.

$2.00 – $4.00

About Uncirculated (AU-55)

Traces of wear, much lustre remains.

$4.00 – $8.00   

 

Uncirculated (MS-62)

No wear, some marks from minting.

$10.00 – $20.00

Choice Uncirculated (MS-64)

Strong lustre, few marks.

$30.00 – $60.00   

 

Gem Uncirculated (MS-66)

Superb lustre and eye appeal.

$80.00 – $125.00+   

 

Collector's Perspective: The True Rarities

 

While the 1961 sixpence is a common coin, a collector seeking rare and valuable sixpences from this general period should focus on two key dates:

The 1952 Sixpence: This is the key circulation-strike date of the mid-twentieth century. Issued in the final year of King George VI's reign, it has a very low mintage of just 1,013,477. In any grade, it is significantly scarcer and more valuable than any of the standard Elizabeth II circulation issues.   

 

The 1970 Sixpence: This is the definitive key date for the Elizabeth II floral design series. It was not issued for circulation. Instead, it was only included in the final pre-decimal Proof sets produced for collectors. With a mintage of only  750,400 and its special proof-only status, it is the most valuable coin of the type.   

 

Conclusion

 

The coin under review is definitively identified as a 1961 United Kingdom Sixpence in Very Fine (VF) condition. Struck in cupronickel at the Royal Mint in London, it is a common-date coin with a mintage of over 115 million pieces. It exhibits no discernible mint errors or recognized die varieties.

The monetary value of this specific coin is modest, estimated between $1.00 and $2.50 USD. Its value, like that of most modern, high-mintage coins, is dictated not by its intrinsic rarity but by its state of preservation. While circulated examples are common, uncirculated specimens are considerably scarcer and more valuable, illustrating the key numismatic principle of condition rarity.

However, the true value of this sixpence lies not in its market price but in its immense historical and cultural significance. It is a direct link to Britain's post-war history, a physical artifact shaped by the economic realities of the twentieth century. It is a symbol of the end of the centuries-old £sd monetary system and a testament to the power of public affection in the world of currency. Most of all, it remains a beloved icon of British folklore—the "lucky sixpence" of weddings and Christmas puddings. It is a perfect example of how even the most common of objects can hold the richest of stories, making it a worthy and fascinating addition to any collection.

 

If anyone is interested, here are the instructions I provided it: 

 

Identify the coin in the attached images. Include country of origin, year minted, mint if known, metallic composition (be specific, for example 95% Cu, 25% Ni), try to identify the correct KM number. Give any interesting historical information regarding the production and use of the coin. Attempt to assign a numismatic grade to the coin. Examine the coin for the presence of any mint errors. Give an estimate of this coins value in USD. List any particularly rare or valuable coins of the same type. If the item presented is an example of exonumia, try to identify it and give a bit of historical context if possible. Do not trap yourself into giving a firm identification if the provenance is unknown to you. It is ok to say you don't know. 

Mass is 2.73 grams.

Diameter is 19.3mm.

Thickness is 1.1 mm

Edge is reeded.

 

Hi OwenS. That is a realy good idea, it didn't cross my mind to use the AI technology to resolve this problem. And as I see from the description of the 6 pence you asked, it is a very thorough analysis ! I learned a lot of stuff as well. I'll try with the two coins I just bought today, a N#20693 and a N#15933

 

Well, as expected, it is very important to find the right way to ask. The amount of informations depends on how precise your demand is. But still, a very good way to have an in depth analysis from a coin.

Section 3: Design Analysis: A Union of Emblems

 

The designs of the 1961 sixpence represent a blend of modern royal portraiture and traditional national symbolism.

 

Obverse

 

The obverse features the celebrated "First Portrait" of Queen Elizabeth II, created by the sculptor Mary Gillick. This portrait was used on British coinage from 1953 until the adoption of a new portrait in 1968. Gillick's design was widely praised for its fresh, youthful, and approachable style. It depicts the young monarch facing right, wearing a laurel wreath in the classical tradition, but notably without a crown. This less formal representation broke with the more rigid, crowned effigies of her immediate predecessors, George V and George VI. The continuous legend around the portrait reads   

 

+ ELIZABETH · II · DEI · GRATIA · REGINA, which is Latin for "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen". The artist's initials, M.G., are skillfully integrated incuse into the truncation of the Queen's shoulder and are visible on well-preserved specimens.   

 

Reverse

 

The reverse design is a powerful and elegant piece of national symbolism, created jointly by the artists Edgar Fuller and Cecil Thomas. The design is a carefully composed floral arrangement featuring four distinct plants, each representing one of the constituent nations of the United Kingdom. These are the Tudor Rose for England, the Thistle for Scotland, the Shamrock for Northern Ireland, and the Leek for Wales.   

 

This design is more than a simple botanical collection; it is a deliberate political statement. The plants are not depicted as separate elements but are shown as intertwined, growing from a common stem. This imagery was conceived in the post-World War II period, a time of immense change for Britain. The nation was recovering from war, the British Empire was beginning its dissolution, and the country was redefining its role on the world stage. In this context, a design that visually emphasizes the unity, shared roots, and interconnectedness of the four home nations projects a strong message of internal cohesion and stability. It is a miniature emblem of post-war British identity, a piece of national branding meant for the pockets of every citizen.

The artists' initials, E·F for Edgar Fuller and C·T for Cecil Thomas, are discreetly placed to the left and right of the shamrock's stem, respectively. The inscription is split into two parts. The denomination and date,   

 

SIX PENCE · 1961, appear at the bottom. At the top, flanking the rose, is the inscription FID · DEF ·, an abbreviation of the Latin title FIDEI DEFENSOR, or "Defender of the Faith." This title was first granted to King Henry VIII by the Pope in 1521 and has been used by English and British monarchs ever since.   

 

The correct extrapolation of ‘FID : DEF’ should be 'Fidei Defensatrix' since it relates to ‘Regina’ Elizabeth II.

Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.

Former coin and banknote catalogue referee.

radrick007

The correct extrapolation of ‘FID : DEF’ should be 'Fidei Defensatrix' since it relates to ‘Regina’ Elizabeth II.

That's not something I would have caught as expectation bias led me to conclude it was a reasonable translation given my complete lack of knowledge of Latin. With AI its always “Trust but Verify”.  

OwenS

radrick007

The correct extrapolation of ‘FID : DEF’ should be 'Fidei Defensatrix' since it relates to ‘Regina’ Elizabeth II.

That's not something I would have caught as expectation bias led me to conclude it was a reasonable translation given my complete lack of knowledge of Latin. With AI its always “Trust but Verify”.  

I agree that the feminine should have been preferred, but in official documents, so far as I know, she was always “Fidei Defensor”. I think the argument is that the title or office is what it is, and happens (as pretty much always) to be masculine. In French (a Romance language, i.e. originating from Latin), one would say something like: “Elizabeth II était défenseur de la Foi” (i.e. not “défenderesse de la Foi”), which translates exactly the spirit of the Latin.

 

EDIT — This is from the Royal Mint Annual Report, 1955:

 

 

Thx radrick007 for raising this issue — never thought of it before!

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MathTournai

Hi OwenS. That is a realy good idea, it didn't cross my mind to use the AI technology to resolve this problem. And as I see from the description of the 6 pence you asked, it is a very thorough analysis ! I learned a lot of stuff as well. I'll try with the two coins I just bought today, a N#20693 and a N#15933

 

Well, as expected, it is very important to find the right way to ask. The amount of informations depends on how precise your demand is. But still, a very good way to have an in depth analysis from a coin.

 

 

Prompt engineering is an iterative process. AI doesn't get bored. So, you can give it different instructions for the same coin over and over again until it is formulating the sort of output you desire. Then save those instructions to use later. I keep a couple of sets of instructions that I copy and paste into the chat box based on what I want. Some of the more interesting bits of history have come from coins where I really did not expect much.  That's one thing I always ask for. 

 

Google Gemini's Deep Research mode provides a large amount of output with very little prompting by design. Google Flash 2.5 and Pro 2.5  require a little more effort.  The more details you ask for, the more you will get.  I will reiterate though that Flash and Pro as they stand now are pretty much a failure for solid identifications.  I have not tried any other AI systems at this point.  Google landed me with the extra cloud storage along with the AI plan.  So, that's what I am using for now.

OwenS

MathTournai

Hi OwenS. That is a realy good idea, it didn't cross my mind to use the AI technology to resolve this problem. And as I see from the description of the 6 pence you asked, it is a very thorough analysis ! I learned a lot of stuff as well. I'll try with the two coins I just bought today, a N#20693 and a N#15933

 

Well, as expected, it is very important to find the right way to ask. The amount of informations depends on how precise your demand is. But still, a very good way to have an in depth analysis from a coin.

 

 

Prompt engineering is an iterative process. AI doesn't get bored. So, you can give it different instructions for the same coin over and over again until it is formulating the sort of output you desire. Then save those instructions to use later. I keep a couple of sets of instructions that I copy and paste into the chat box based on what I want. Some of the more interesting bits of history have come from coins where I really did not expect much.  That's one thing I always ask for. 

 

Google Gemini's Deep Research mode provides a large amount of output with very little prompting by design. Google Flash 2.5 and Pro 2.5  require a little more effort.  The more details you ask for, the more you will get.  I will reiterate though that Flash and Pro as they stand now are pretty much a failure for solid identifications.  I have not tried any other AI systems at this point.  Google landed me with the extra cloud storage along with the AI plan.  So, that's what I am using for now.

Thanks for the tips, I'm not used to use this kind of AI stuff, usualy I avoid them because they make me lazy ^^ But in this case, it can be very useful. I'll try different combination, as you adviced, until I find the perfect sentence. 

Not that I don't like the fun random and limitless wikipedia search, but I can do both :-) 

 

Have a nice evening all !

Camerinvs

OwenS

radrick007

The correct extrapolation of ‘FID : DEF’ should be 'Fidei Defensatrix' since it relates to ‘Regina’ Elizabeth II.

That's not something I would have caught as expectation bias led me to conclude it was a reasonable translation given my complete lack of knowledge of Latin. With AI its always “Trust but Verify”.  

I agree that the feminine should have been preferred, but in official documents, so far as I know, she was always “Fidei Defensor”. I think the argument is that the title or office is what it is, and happens (as pretty much always) to be masculine. In French (a Romance language, i.e. originating from Latin), one would say something like: “Elizabeth II était défenseur de la Foi” (i.e. not “défenderesse de la Foi”), which translates exactly the spirit of the Latin.

 

EDIT — This is from the Royal Mint Annual Report, 1955:

 

 

Thx radrick007 for raising this issue — never thought of it before!

AI stands for Artificial Incompetence not Intelligence, as any journalist of old would know, everything in a story must be checked, checked and checked again  -  now of course any one can just make up whatever they want and distribute it to the world and it is lapped up by the masses until someone takes the time to disprove it.

 

 AI might be a useful computer tool, but anything added to a Numista page would have to be checked by a referee to make sure it is correct (something that is and will be just as time consuming as writing and researching it themselves), having AI splurge out such amounts of text is great until they make an error which slowly turns into fact. This will be to the detriment of Numista and our Incompetence for trusting AI in the first place.

„If your reply or post in the Forum stinks of AI, I will call you out! Knowledge comes from experience, the I in AI stands for incompetence.“

King

 

AI stands for Artificial Incompetence not Intelligence, as any journalist of old would know, everything in a story must be checked, checked and checked again  -  now of course any one can just make up whatever they want and distribute it to the world and it is lapped up by the masses until someone takes the time to disprove it.

 

 AI might be a useful computer tool, but anything added to a Numista page would have to be checked by a referee to make sure it is correct (something that is and will be just as time consuming as writing and researching it themselves), having AI splurge out such amounts of text is great until they make an error which slowly turns into fact. This will be to the detriment of Numista and our Incompetence for trusting AI in the first place.

+1

Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.

Former coin and banknote catalogue referee.

It's as if I had written the original post. I agree with everything @Heretic_Cata is saying.

 

For me it's both the historic part and the geographical part. I have completely switched in my main focus of collecting. When I began I wanted every coin from every country. All years of each type, etc. etc. I was fascinated by the vast varieties of designs and denominations. I could sit and wonder who the last user of this Philippine piso coin was, or how much that zimbabwean dollar coin would buy me.

 

This fascination still lives on, but now I have been more and more fascinated about history and the medieval and ancient period. So now I have downsizing my collection to a minimum so I can focus on my anciet and medieval collection. To hold  a 1000 year old coin, or even a 2000 year old coin, in my hand, which a picture of a person who was either loved or feared by his people, and strived for power, had his own dreams and fears, and loved and hated just like we do today. Who was he? What did he do? How did he live - and where did he live? My fantasy knows no boundaries, and my imagination about how a society in wouthern Europe, Middle East, Far East, would look like, smell like, and feel like two thousand years ago really make it all so much fun!

It's also a weird feeling when I'm visiting museums, and in a glass display they show coins from a Roman Empire, and I'll be like “Oh, I have that one!” is really odd, but fun!

 

So yeas, absolutely the historical part is the main reason for my collecting.

Totally, I am just as, if not more obsessed with History, as I am with coins. Most of my serious collections are propelled by my interest in the history of the series of the coin and the monarch, country, society, context, value, scarcity and relevance of that coin by its self and how it fits into the set of coins and that nation's monetary and historical sequence.

 

For me its most British/English coins and their long and complex history. I love the fact that I can open a book that contains coins that are all obselete (As they are all predecimal) and they cover 700+ years from medieval pennies of Henry III (1250s) to numerous cupro nickel sixpences and shillings from the time of the Beatles and the Rolling lips, all connected in a story of a country and its currency.

 

I look at coins of New Zealand and see the history of our nation from old Georgian British coins like Cartwheel pennies and Georgian threepences, Victorian gold sovereigns, Tradesmen's pennies of the 1860s, Victorian silver of the 1880s destroyed in a 1902 shipwreck, early 20th century British coins, NZ half silver coins of the 30s and 40s, cupronickel coins of the 50s and then the early decimal coins of my childhood, the later ones of my early adulthood and todays modern muck metal rubbish, my country's history and my own.

 

My New Zealand banknote collection covers 90 years from colonial looking horseblankets with Maori chiefs, guilloches, money as the act dictates etc up to modern polymer notes that announce “Aotearoa” and have perspex windows and the number 100 in different sizes and Te Reo all over them.

 

Coins are living and past history and that is the rub.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

OwenS

I've found that the more advanced AI models are pretty good at giving a bit of history for coins.  Below is an example of the output for a sixpence from Google Gemini in Deep Research mode. Just be aware that the normal Google 2.5 pro mode is very bad at this, it gets the catalogue reference numbers, mintages and grading wrong more than half the time. I use it as a jumping off point. You always have to check what it says. But, I've learned a few things along the way.

 

Amazed anyone so interested in history, goes ahead and posts a bunch of AI drivel that takes forever to speak basic facts on a very common coin (Its not worth $1 - $2, you can get a VF sixpence for like 10p at most) and has several mistakes.

 

AI, Chat GPT etc are the DEATH of historical enquiry and part of humanity's decline back to Apedom, when we rely on bad engineered machines and computers to do all our thinking and work for us.

 

Sorry, but this post derails and excellent thread on a valid point. I would rather see posts written by human beings and not the Wong She china spy corporation, full of mistakes but authentic passion and scholarship.

 

Rant over.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

My best way to show how I connect coins or paper money with history is in these two threads:

 

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