coins/tokens for id

The first one came in a 2x2 marked joana & Charles I don't know if that is correct. The second one had no info with it.

First one is a Spanish Netherlands counter token.

Very nice work! Thank you

  Second is a 1619 Jeton
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PAYS-BAS MERIDIONAUX, Cu jeton, 1619,
Anvers. Chambre des Comptes de Brabant - Victoires des alliés en Bohême.
Droit : Ecu couronné, entouré du collier de la Toison d'or tenu par un ange.
Revers : FORTIBVS EST FORTVNA VIRIS Lion debout à gauche sous un gouvernail.
Ref.: Dugn., 3758; van Loon, II, 122, 3. 6,15g. Dim: 28 mm.
Très Beau (VF)  € 100

Translation:
Southern Netherlands, Cu token, 1619
Antwerp. Chamber of Accounts of Brabant - Victories allies in Bohemia.
Right: ECU crowned, surrounded by the collar of the Golden Fleece held by an angel.
Reverse: FORTIBVS EST FORTVNA VIRIS Lion standing left as a rudder.
Ref.: Dugn., 3758; van Loon, II, 122, 3. 6,15g. Dim: 28 mm.
Very Fine (VF) € 100

Obverse: FORTIBVS EST FORTVNA VIRIS (Legend)
 1619 Lion from left under a rudder

Reverse: GPL CHAM. DES. COMP. IN BRA (Legend)  
 Crowned shield

EDIT: When I saw 'first one' had been identified, I assumed it meant the small one.       

Yeah, that is a little confusing.  I should have pointed it out   But thank you all the same for your help Zac.

Anyone know anything about the smaller one?

Hi!

Se little one looks spanish, aragon.
But the picture isn't of a good quality
could you post a better pic?