In another perspective it is the ultimate victory over fascism, viewed by all ex-Soviet nations, including Azerbaijan, where I have returned from just "on-the-day".
The Germans wanted to grab the oil/gas fields of Azerbaijan, so they have sent great armies, but all was stopped in well-known Stalingrad.
Now, all Azeris and Georgians are very happy on that day, so they salute together with Russsia to celebrate the 9th of May, as the DAY of victory!
Neil, ANZAC in April, has to do with my other friend, Mustafa Kemal Pasha, right?
when Winston (i.e. Churchill) failed against MustafaKemalPasha (i.e. Atatürk)? in 1915?
ANZAC day is celebrated to remember those NZ and Aus troops that fought and died in all wars. It indeed has its origins in the battle against the Turkish forces led by Ataturk. But it's really seen as the formation of New Zealand/Australian alliances and friendship. Landing at Galliopoli and fighting side by side in a hopeless campaign because the English commanders thought it would be a good idea forged lifelong bonds between our countries.
PS it's the 100th anniversary celebrations next year.
Цитата: neilithicANZAC day is celebrated to remember those NZ and Aus troops that fought and died in all wars. It indeed has its origins in the battle against the Turkish forces led by Ataturk. But it's really seen as the formation of New Zealand/Australian alliances and friendship. Landing at Galliopoli and fighting side by side in a hopeless campaign because the English commanders thought it would be a good idea forged lifelong bonds between our countries.
PS it's the 100th anniversary celebrations next year.
Indeed, I know this past of history from both sides, as I toured Gelibolu/Gallipolli several times, visited sad cemeteries of both sides (Mehmetler ve John-lar) as they call it there. Sad. But the scenery is great, and it shall be always remembered for 2 reasons:
1) Winston learned the D-Day practice here! - God bless him for knowing what to do in 1944!
2) Do not f**k with the Turks, my friend!
Цитата: neilithicPS it's the 100th anniversary celebrations next year.
Yeap. and I'll be there, as an "honorary Turk" , btw let me know if any of you come, as it would be a great occasion to do some numismatic thingy after ...
Thanks for sharing this guys, I didn't know about any of this? What is ANZAC?
Цитата: kommodoreWe are unite for peace imreh, not to get rid of things.
Well said, just because Russian Government is taking and killing why do you need to be hostile towards Russian citizens and friends on Numista. That's only behaving in the way you claim to denounce.
I hope these Nations Unite and stand.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Mark. I had heard of him, he served as a stretcher bearer who acquired a donkey to help him carry the injured off the battlefield. Although how on earth he managed to get a donkey to go into the battlefield is an absolute mystery to me. You can't get those things to do what you want at the best of times.
ANZAC is Australia and New Zealand Army Corps
Unfortunately there are only limited places available to Australians and New Zealanders at the ceremony next year at Galliopoli, and the only way to get a place is to put your name in a ballot to go. Preference is given to 1) former and current soldiers. 2) descendents of Galliopli veterans. 3) dignitaries and officials. then 4) the rest of the public.
We have a statue of him & his steed in our town centre. He was born 5 minutes from me but obviously years apart ha ! Quite a strange story really since he was branded a deserter !
Hmm... I don't really like this coin. May 9th is indeed Europe Day, which is why it wouldn't really make sense to celebrate another holiday on that day. In addition, Europe has it's own Victory Day, May 8th.
Цитата: kommodoreWe are unite for peace imreh, not to get rid of things.
Well said, just because Russian Government is taking and killing why do you need to be hostile towards Russian citizens and friends on Numista. That's only behaving in the way you claim to denounce.
I hope these Nations Unite and stand.
Honestly, I guess you misunderstood this post, redsmithstudios.
The Russian gentleman's quote was in itself way too Russian Nationalistic, ignoring and deteriorizing Azerbaijan, that it requires firm action (at least from me). This is what kommodore rightfully joined.
With all the respect, maybe things look different from the US, than from Central Europe.
I also see that it is very difficult from the US to see what games Russia is playing on Georgia, Ukraine, Moldavia... just to name a few. (Not to mention Dagestan, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Chechnia... bllaa.. loong)
Цитата: imrehHonestly, I guess you misunderstood this post, redsmithstudios.
The Russian gentleman's quote was in itself way too Russian Nationalistic, ignoring and deteriorizing Azerbaijan, that it requires firm action (at least from me). This is what kommodore rightfully joined.
With all the respect, maybe things look different from the US, than from Central Europe.
I also see that it is very difficult from the US to see what games Russia is playing on Georgia, Ukraine, Moldavia... just to name a few. (Not to mention Dagestan, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Chechnia... bllaa.. loong)
I understand what games russia is playing, its a big problem, and "our guy" thinks its a joke, or does not care, the US has ignored it ether way. I simply missed our own member making an insult because I missed some things. If you were speaking in your defense, I can understand more. but I am just hoping you would not say this about all Russians, I am sure we have Russian members who understand this thing Russia is doing and the clear objective they have of devouring nations, and yet do not agree with it.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
"•Messages aiming at stating political or religious views or controversial historic interpretations are not authorized."
That is a very very stupid rule. The entire numismatic science is nothing but controversial historic interpretations. Following that rule half of the 52000 coins on Numista shall be deleted, because they interpret history in a way which seen as controversial by others.
Yes but this is a coin site, not a site to discuss who is right and who is wrong in the current situation in Russia is. If you want to discuss that, join a news forum.
Цитата: neilithicYes but this is a coin site, not a site to discuss who is right and who is wrong in the current situation in Russia is. If you want to discuss that, join a news forum.
Yes, I agree on Russian current politics, but way too disagree on PAST politics, i.e. anthying related to controversial histrory
The rule was not there in the past I believe the rule was implemented after some rather nasty arguments on this site in the past so I have no problem with it. This is supposed to be a friendly online site to discuss and trade coins. Not a vehicle for a flame war.
Цитата: neilithicYes but this is a coin site, not a site to discuss who is right and who is wrong in the current situation in Russia is. If you want to discuss that, join a news forum.
Honestly, Neil, I am non-decided on that one. As a European citizen, and in a country (well, not physically now, but still ...) which has a provenly bad history with Russia, plus today my house's heating & electricity depends on how these Ukrainians and Russians come to an agreement, I was seriously considering boycotting Russian swaps.
At the end, I decided not to do so (I have 3 ongoing Russian swaps) ... but still I feel like a coward who have sacrified his values for his own interest.
So, honestly, I really really do not know what is right or wrong in this case.
I also understand that my Hungarian standpoint might be very a distant problem to you as Kiwis or Americans.
RE: redsmithstudios
I do not hate all Russians, excuse my non-precise communication above, but I do think that citizens do have a responsibility for their government directly or indirectly. Having said that I feel an extreme shame about the current Hungarian government.
