Identification : 1/2 Stuiver/Stoiver/Stoter [решено]

My copper coin :



looks very similar to this one :
16th/17th century
Seigniory Batenburg (The Netherlands)
Stoiver nd
Hendrik Diederik of Bronckhorst (1573-1602)
Literature: Verkade 209.5



My Lions Clubs coin is it from United Netherlands, one belgian duchy, ~1650 ?



Thanks in advance for any precision.

Looks like the coat of arms of Cleves
Date begin 1600
For a similar coin scroll down here:
Search for a coin NOSS 316(variant)
You can send clear pictures to this site, Arie will be pleased to help you
http://www.bonatiele.nl/FDETNL1/nieuwetijdmunten.html 17th century

https://www.ma-shops.nl/knopik/item.php5?id=140220005&lang=nl
http://www.historischmuseumdeventer.nl/collectie/zoeken#/detail?id=15220
https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-P-1892-A-17261

It's funny cause I saw the arms of :

La Mark


Ravensberg:


Berg:


But the coat of arms for the Duchy of Cleves is completely different on wiki.

And why "S" as money ?

It is the S of stuiver.
I think this is a half stuiver (or stuber)
If you click you this link:
http://www.historischmuseumdeventer.nl/collectie/zoeken#/detail?id=15220
you will see a very similar coin (silver one)

By marriage, the several arms are combined:
https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-P-1892-A-17261

If you search for the arms of Julich, Cleves, Berg, Huissen... you will find very similar pictures

You're right, a Stüber that was co-minted by Brandeburg-Prussia and Palatiante-Neuburg during the famous War of the Jülich-Clèves Succession, precursor to the Thirty Years' War.

Cleves - ND (ca 1616-1624) - KM# 19 - Billon

And Kleve was occupied by the Dutches during the 30 years war. It's written in the SCWC that coins were co-minted by Brandeburg and Neuburg (Wittelsbach) but in fact this money should be catalogued as Dutch cause it was strucked in the free town of Emben also occupied by Dutches
MON.ARG.CVS.EMB "Moneta Argentea Cusa Embdae"

But that's not so clear and there are references to "Dutch for Brandenburg" on wiki in the treaty of Xanten on 1614 ... I should study more in detail this 30 years war

That was interesting, what does it men, co-minted? Two powers were allies and shared a coin?

No
Brandeburg (Lutherian) was in war against Neuburg (Catholic) during the War of the Jülich Succession

And just after the agrement, the dispute continued with the 30 years war.

But according to the SCWC, coins were struck in common by beligerents during these wars.



This coin, Brandeburg being allied with Dutches, was produced in the free town of Embden.