2 skilling 1807 before pressed! [решено]

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hi just woundering if this is rare?

got a sqared danish skilling coin from 1807 and it seems like its right Before pressing cause the backside of the coin are on every corner and the main "coin" printed in the middle
is there any value in this one?


bad photo..gonna take a new one later

and bonus one. also got this one!



thanks for your help

/andreas
Your piece reminds me of plate money, but it was only produced in the 18th century. There are many Swedish pieces, but can only find one listing for a Danish piece (KM# 507 Denmark 1714 Mark).

Images of Swedish Plate Money:
https://www.google.com/search?q=plate+money+sweden&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExI-ClbLOAhVK3IMKHS82CFkQsAQIOA&biw=1600&bih=801
They both look like replicas, a better photo would really help though.

EDIT: here's what the plåtmynt should look like: http://www.philea.se/pdf/coinAuction5.pdf
Your coin has a bubbly surface and it has very little patina, how big is it?
Numista referee for Finland
Цитата: "Steve27"​Your piece reminds me of plate money, but it was only produced in the 18th century. There are many Swedish pieces, but can only find one listing for a Danish piece (KM# 507 Denmark 1714 Mark).

​Images of Swedish Plate Money:
https://www.google.com/search?q=plate+money+sweden&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExI-ClbLOAhVK3IMKHS82CFkQsAQIOA&biw=1600&bih=801
​heres an Another Picture

thing is that i whent to the antic round tv show and ask one of them but they couldt anserw anything about the coin exept that its not a replica :)

heres a pic from the web but without the Square
thanks for the replys :)
the 1 peso has some value, if real. So a lot of chinese replica's are found regulary!!
Test it for silver....
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I have never seen, or heard of Danish "Plate Money." I found this statement in a PDF on bronze and copper coins in 19th century Denmark, "In the Danish realm plate money was never produced; only an unsuccessful trial piece from 1714 exists (fig. 1).5"

Here is a link to the PDF

http://www.danskmoent.dk/pdf/Koldekilde.pdf
Referee for Pre-Euro Ireland
Цитата: "PetrusAscanus"​the 1 peso has some value, if real. So a lot of chinese replica's are found regulary!!
​Test it for silver....
thanks.
yeah you never know. i bet some replicas are really good made
but intressting gonna look it up !​
Цитата: "muygrandeoso"​I have never seen, or heard of Danish "Plate Money." I found this statement in a PDF on bronze and copper coins in 19th century Denmark, "In the Danish realm plate money was never produced; only an unsuccessful trial piece from 1714 exists (fig. 1).5"

​Here is a link to the PDF

http://www.danskmoent.dk/pdf/Koldekilde.pdf

sounds intressting and confusing
what is that ive got in my hand then :o? haha​

mystery..but you never know could be a fake one then
....Also, I am not sure that Denmark issued a 2 Skilling in 1807...I see a 4 Skilling in 1807, but not a 2 Skilling...Have I missed something?
Referee for Pre-Euro Ireland
Got some other coins that i could post later if you like?
Nice to talk with People that know this stuff :)
Цитата: "andreasp"
Цитата: "Steve27"​Your piece reminds me of plate money, but it was only produced in the 18th century. There are many Swedish pieces, but can only find one listing for a Danish piece (KM# 507 Denmark 1714 Mark).
​​
​​Images of Swedish Plate Money:
​​https://www.google.com/search?q=plate+money+sweden&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExI-ClbLOAhVK3IMKHS82CFkQsAQIOA&biw=1600&bih=801
​​heres an Another Picture

​thing is that i whent to the antic round tv show and ask one of them but they couldt anserw anything about the coin exept that its not a replica :)

​heres a pic from the web but without the Square
​thanks for the replys :)
Very weird, there shouldn't be such thing as plate money from 1807.

​"thing is that i whent to the antic round tv show and ask one of them but they couldt anserw anything about the coin exept that its not a replica :)"

Link to the episode?

EDIT: the coin is norwegian
Numista referee for Finland
Цитата: "Hopeakettu"
Цитата: "andreasp"

Цитата: "Steve27"​Your piece reminds me of plate money, but it was only produced in the 18th century. There are many Swedish pieces, but can only find one listing for a Danish piece (KM# 507 Denmark 1714 Mark).
​​​
​​​Images of Swedish Plate Money:
​​​https://www.google.com/search?q=plate+money+sweden&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExI-ClbLOAhVK3IMKHS82CFkQsAQIOA&biw=1600&bih=801
​​​heres an Another Picture
​​
​​thing is that i whent to the antic round tv show and ask one of them but they couldt anserw anything about the coin exept that its not a replica :)
​​
​​heres a pic from the web but without the Square
​​thanks for the replys :)
​Very weird, there shouldn't be such thing as plate money from 1807.

​​"thing is that i whent to the antic round tv show and ask one of them but they couldt anserw anything about the coin exept that its not a replica :)"

​Link to the episode?
​yeah wierd.

OH i wasnt on tv i just ask a "expert" backsTage haha. You could ask different experts of The team. One of them was an coin speciallst.
What is this tv show called and also tala du svenska?
Numista referee for Finland
Цитата: "Hopeakettu"​What is this tv show called and also tala du svenska?
​antikrundan "antic round or tour"
Ja jag talar svenska
Цитата: "andreasp"
Цитата: "Hopeakettu"​What is this tv show called and also tala du svenska?
​​antikrundan "antic round or tour"
​Ja jag talar svenska
​Har du gått till Kungliga Myntkabinettet eller en mynthandel?
Numista referee for Finland
Цитата: "Hopeakettu"
Цитата: "andreasp"

Цитата: "Hopeakettu"​What is this tv show called and also tala du svenska?
​​​antikrundan "antic round or tour"
​​Ja jag talar svenska
​​Har du gått till Kungliga Myntkabinettet eller en mynthandel?
​nej faktiskt inte. Men borde nog göra det :) tack för tipset. Har inte tänkt på det.
I found this table in Krause:



Thus, it is possible when Prahm took over from Madelung in 1807, he tried substituting a large piece of copper for a small silver planchet, when designing a new 2 skilling "coin." He did produce 3,507,000 silver pieces, so it's hard to imagine how or why this piece was conceived.


What is the provenance of this piece?
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/norway-2-skilling-km-270-1800-1807-cuid-86223-duid-234899

your coin :)

is from Norway
Emiliano
Цитата: "Steve27"​I found this table in Krause:



​Thus, it is possible when Prahm took over from Madelung in 1807, he tried substituting a large piece of copper for a small silver planchet, when designing a new 2 skilling "coin." He did produce 3,507,000 silver pieces, so it's hard to imagine how or why this piece was conceived.


​What is the provenance of this piece?
​Great info thanks!
http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk

http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk/vfs/static/valuation/online/index.html?lang=sv
Цитата: "Steve27"

​What is the provenance of this piece?
​im not sure got it from my grandmother when i was around 10 years old.
Цитата: "oggy"http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk

http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk/vfs/static/valuation/online/index.html?lang=sv
thanks! sent an email to them :)
intressting what they gonna say about it​
hers and update of what tehy said at the http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk

Kære Andreas,


Mange tak for henvendelsen vedrørende den lille “plåtmynt” fra 1807. Mønten er meget interessant og vil potentielt set kunne opnå en meget betydelig pris på vores internationale auktion til høst.
Jeg vil bestemt anbefale, at du kontakter mig direkte med henblik på at fremvise stykket direkte her i København. Der er mange enkeltheder, der skal undersøges, før det er muligt at sætte en pris på mønten, men det er absolut tiden værd!

Hvis du på ingen måde har mulighed for selv at komme til København, vil vi eventuelt kunne afhente mønten i Blekinge.

Jeg ser frem til at høre nærmere fra dig og vil ellers tillade mig, at ringe til dig i næste uge.
Med venlig hilsen,

Michael

translated into English by google..not perfect translasion but anyway.

Dear Andreas.
Thank you for your interest regarding the small " plåtmynt " from 1807. The coin is very interesting and will potentially be able to achieve a very significant cost to our international auction for harvesting. I would definitely recommend that you contact me directly in order to showcase the piece right here in Copenhagen . There are many details to be examined before it is possible to put a price on the coin , but it is definitely worth the time !
That is very interesting! Can you share a story how did you get it? Flea market maybe? :)
Цитата: "pabandom"​That is very interesting! Can you share a story how did you get it? Flea market maybe? :)
im investegatin it right now. got it from my grandmother when i was around 10. im now 30 ;) she said her son got it when he was a kid so i have to ask him later today about the plate coin. maby he remeber where it comes from.​
Hi Andreas,

Great that you got a response, and that they want to proceed with detailed examination!

If you do decide to sell, I can suggest a couple more auction houses that specialise in scandinavians. (BR are very good themselves however, and there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't go with them if you are happy with their service!)

It's really exciting actually. Would love to know how this develops.
Цитата: "andreasp"
Цитата: "pabandom"​That is very interesting! Can you share a story how did you get it? Flea market maybe? :)
​im investegatin it right now. got it from my grandmother when i was around 10. im now 30 ;) she said her son got it when he was a kid so i have to ask him later today about the plate coin. maby he remeber where it comes from.​
​Any new information?

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