stefandobyy
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Aprox. 17 mm
Any help would be welcome . :)
Camerinvs
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I think the reverse says ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΕ ("Thessalonike"), though the ΣΣ, as often, are in the shape of a square with the right side missing.
EDITED:
Same legend on the obverse: ΘΕΣΣΑ ΛΟΝΙΚΕ. Probably the goddess (obv.) and the eponymous city (rev.).
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
stefandobyy
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Camerinvs
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I think so (and see my "edit" above, about the obverse).
EDITED:
Something like (if not exactly) Moushmov 6616 on this page:
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/macedonia/thessalonica/t.html
EDITED 2:
Oh! Yes ─ that's the one you had in your post. Right on!
EDITED 3:
The reverse means: "(coin) of the people of Thessalonike".
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
stefandobyy
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Thank you for the help, Camerinvs, I really appreciate it !
When I add this coin to the catalog, what date(or interval of dates) should I put?
Camerinvs
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Date? I have no idea, but one of the two descriptions for this type on Wildwinds says "Imperial Thessalonika", so, under Roman domination. I don't know whether Moushmov says more.
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
stefandobyy
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Yes, this is what is bugging me .
I don't know if I''ll put it in the Greece(ancient) catalog or Roman provinces . And of course it's the issue of what interval of dates to put and of course the denomination .
Camerinvs
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To make matters worse, one of the descriptions says "AE16" and the other, "AE18", I suppose based on the size of 16 or 18 mm of each specimen
. Obviously what denomination it actually was is unknown -- perhaps some debased tetradrachm.
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
stefandobyy
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What a little rascal of a coin
stefandobyy
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So, should I put it in the Roman provinces section of the catalog ? First I had the urge to put it Greece (ancient) section ...but...
Camerinvs
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Not easy... If it is "Roman imperial", then it can't fall under "Ancient Greece > Kingdom of Macedonia". So, probably under "Roman Provinces > Macedonia", unless there is a place for the coinage of the cities such as Thessolanica.
But one can question whether it belongs to Macedonia, because Thessalonica has been under the control of different political entities.
Perhaps a Numista administrator could help?
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
KAISERKILLERfr08
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Hard question because it's semi-autonomous. I would say in Roman-provincial. If you want some help to know the denomination, the weight is necessary.
stefandobyy
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Цитата: "KAISERKILLERfr08" Hard question because it's semi-autonomous. I would say in Roman-provincial. If you want some help to know the denomination, the weight is necessary.The weight is 3.13 g . And yeah... I would say Roman-provincial too .
Thanks for the help anyways !
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So it's maybe a diassaria, but I'm not a specialist of the provincial coinage.
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