can someone identify this coin

think its austria not sure of denomination it says 1818 on back but i didnt see that year in the list

my bad it says 1805 kruetzer but still not listed anybody have a km for it

heres the 1818 one thats not listed

heres that back of that one if you look close you can see some letters and the date 1818

Hey there!

It's from the German states - Further Austria. KM#30, two year issue of 1804 H and 1805 H.

If it's not on Numista yet, send me a PM.

ya its not there either but similar ones are austria states and german staes further look very much alike how can you tell difference and do you know what  the other coin is

Oh I didn't know there were two...

The only 1805 issue of a "kreutzer" was in "Further Austria" in the German states. I checked. It's not in Numista yet, so add it if you'd like.

I can barely read the second one. It's certainly not from Austria, since no copper coins were issued at the time. As hard as I've tried to read it, it's probably from "German states - Nassau."

Get a better scan, please.

kind of looks like this design but words dont match or year 1818
6 Kreuzer - Ludwig II (Hesse-Darmstadt)
1838-1842
 Silver (.350) – 2.46 g – ø 20 mm
KM# 306

i think it may be this coin 1818 German Saxe-Meiningen 1 Kreuzer you have a km for it

but it seems the 1818 is much lower but im positive its meiningen i can read that much plus date and has same coat on front just cant see denomination on back plus theres words reverse side which didnt see in the one i found that resembled it