Please help identify these coins... [решено]

I have had these three coins for years but have never been able to identify them. All three coins appear to be the same type. I am guessing at which side is the obverse and which the reverse. Each is in medal orientation in the scan. The design on the obverse appears to be the same type of coat of arms that appears on Spanish milled coins (castles in upper left and lower right, lions in upper right and lower left), but the design is very crude. I can find no indication of a date. The coins are so worn that identification may not be possible, but I am hopeful that someone will recognize the design. The coins are about 21.5 to 22 mm in diameter, about 0.5 mm thick, and made of copper.

Thanks in advance for any help in identifying these.

Hi. I think these are Spanish coins of Fernando VII, minted in Manilla, Phillipines.

Here is a link to them http://manilagalleontrade.webs.com/fernandovii18081833.htm

 great site !!! thanks scotty .

Thanks, Scotty, that is what they are.  I was even able to identify a date on the 3rd coin, which has a retrograde obverse (incorrectly identified as the reverse in my scan).  The only year that happened was 1829, and there is a faint 281 between the M and F underneath the lion (difficult to see in the scan).  The dates on the other two coins are completely worn off.

Thanks again for solving my mystery.

David