Upper Bank of Canada 1857 penny w/die crack and big bite

Does this coin with a bite out of the side have any value? How much? Can it be graded by NGC? It appears to have a raised die crack under the A which is a known variety for this year.

Looks like post mint damage to me although I am certainly no expert on the subject. My guess is the TPG's would charge the grading fee and put the coin (?) in a body bag.

Send the pictures and questions to this site:
http://www.coinsandcanada.com/tokens-medals-banks.php
http://www.numicanada.com/medias/jetons/errors/token-upper-canada-bank-penny-1857-die-crack-a-canada-a.jpg
http://www.coinsandcanada.com/tokens-medals-banks.php?title=1-penny-1857&id=120
I think that the 'bite' lowers the value very much...

It would be possible, though unlikely, that the coin was struck on a defective planchet. BUT, if I see well through the liner, on the reverse side the "bite" formed a raised line. It is, therefore, PMD (post-mint damage) and, unfortunately, worth only its weight in copper. I have several of those coins and all of different varieties. You may want to look at Courteau's book to see what variety yours is. Have a look at this site with all his books in the public domain. The one you need is this one.

Thanks for the replies.

Petrus, the die crack you posted http://www.numicanada.com/medias/jetons/errors/token-upper-canada-bank-penny-1857-die-crack-a-canada-a.jpg is what I see on my coin and point out it's just under the A in CANADA.

I did a couple more photos and a better photo of the reverse. If everyone agrees this is post mint damage (PMD) I guess this one can go in the glass jar for melting. :)






No chance it was minted like that?

PMD for sure. If the blank had been defective, and then struck, the motif would just end on the edge on both side, and there would probably be a Blakesley effect on the opposite side. It is clear that the flattening on the reverse was caused by the hits to cut the edge.

I was thinking more of a defective planchet, which broke of in circulation, and then the owner tried to weld it back together, what caused the flats. One clearly sees like melted material coming from one side.
Also the fracture line is too clean to be made in different steps.

Tony

This could still be a real mint error called a clipped planchet. I don't know, very interesting. here's the best resource I found on the subject https://www.australian-coins.com/error-coins/how-to-determine-if-a-clipped-planchet-error-is-real/

As far as the Blakesley effect, there is small indent on the rim opposite the cut-out side. shown here under the "18"



There is strange burn melt look in two spots on the broken edge and the reverse has weird "melted" or flatened look along the edge. Could it be an area where two blank sheets were joined and broke apart? More likely someone hit it with a welder and it split (PMD)? The difference between the two I guess would mean it goes in a holder vs it goes in the trash.

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​This could still be a real mint error called a clipped planchet. I don't know, very interesting. here's the best resource I found on the subject https://www.australian-coins.com/error-coins/how-to-determine-if-a-clipped-planchet-error-is-real/
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​As far as the Blakesley effect, there is small indent on the rim opposite the cut-out side. shown here under the "18"
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​I agree with that point of vue. I would not immediately put it in the melting jar.
It is indeed a strange damage that looks the coin was on the edge of the planchet.

If it were a clipped planchet, the reverse edge would be clean, not damaged in the way it is.

These tokens, like the other Canadian tokens of the period, were re-used in all kinds of ways in the late 19th century and beyond ─ from washer to gear, stopper, weight, tally, and even dough or "pizza" cutter. The half pennies were often drilled with two holes to use them as buttons. I have a penny with a big cut-out triangle, may be to be used as a Mason lodge token.

EDIT: Here are examples of the kind of modifications one can find:



While of virtually no numismatic value, collecting those in their own right would make an interesting collection of antiques, and at a very low price.