First one looks like the shield of Genua or of Cologne, second one is definitely Papal States.
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Цитата: "PetrusAscanus"second one looks hungarian
on the last picture you can see PATRONA...
This is the first coin I found on Numista:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces36840.html
But the reverse does not fit...
Edit:
Completely wrong
Looks like a sitting person with staff
Could be PETRus
The two keys on the other side makes it possible vatican
coin 1:
Thanks! I find a page looking for in google and ther is a couple of coins very similar. Now i'll compare them and tell you what is.. numista looks very incomplete in this area
Цитата: "apuking"First one looks like the shield of Genua or of Cologne, second one is definitely Papal States.
Thanks! The second one, definitively is from papal states. The first one is more complicated for it condition, but surely i can find it with help of yours, of course). I repite, Numista is very poor in some states or epoques.