A coin from the great state of constantinople... [решено]

I have owned this coin for centuries, It was handed to my ancestors from their ancestors since I come from Levantine origins and on and on.. Until It was given to me from my grandparents.. As seen in the picture there's a sultan's tughra on the back of the coin but I find it difficult to Identify the sultan but I have suspected that it belongs to Orhan Gazi since the coin was created in his era (1323)? Also, I can't figure out the value of the coin and I would be grateful if I had your help. Thanks!
https://ibb.co/j22qBd

If your coin is real, then it is not supposed to be from 1323 but rather 1816, since it looks nothing like 14th century Ottoman coins, and the Islamic year of ascension (looks more like AH 1223 to me*) for Mahmud II is 1808, and the regnal year of 8 (on top of the reverse) indicates the Gregorian calendar year 1816.

Also, please provide the coin's weight and diameter.

*No Ottoman sultan ascended the throne in the year 1323 AH (1905).

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​If your coin is real, then it is not supposed to be from 1323 but rather 1816, since it looks nothing like 14th century Ottoman coins, and the Islamic year of ascension (looks more like AH 1223 to me*) for Mahmud II is 1808, and the regnal year of 8 indicates the Gregorian calendar year 1816.
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​*No Ottoman sultan ascended the throne in the year 1323 AH (1905).

​I supposed it was from 1323 since it's written on it?

You are from Egypt but you did not know the Islamic calendar is a different one from the Gregorian calendar?
http://worldcoingallery.com/Inst-ID/AH_to_AD.htm

Anyway, that date is not the year the coin was made, but rather the year the reigning sultan ascended to the throne. You need to add to it the regnal year (number above it) to find the actual year of mintage, then convert it to the Gregorian calendar for Ottoman coins.

No sultan ascended the throne in AH 1323 (1905), so the regnal date is likely AH 1223 (1808) and the tughra Mahmud II's.

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​You are from Egypt but you did not know the Islamic calendar is a different one from the Gregorian calendar?
​http://worldcoingallery.com/Inst-ID/AH_to_AD.htm
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​Anyway, that date is not the year the coin was made, but rather the date the reigning sultan ascended to the throne. You need to add to it the regnal year (number on top of reverse) to find the actual year of mintage, then convert it to the Gregorian calendar for Ottoman coins.

​Oh my god I know that the islamic calender is different from the Gregorian calendar I'm sorry I was just a little confused.

Haha, don't worry about it. Welcome to Numista, by the way.

You should provide the weight and diameter of your coin as well...

A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​Haha, don't worry about it. Welcome to Numista, by the way.
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​You should provide the weight and diameter of your coin as well...

​Thank you! I'm working on the weight thingy, by the way I've read on Wikipedia that Orhan Gazi ascended the throne in 1323/4 - 1362? And does the tughras has to be identical? Cause if so.. it doesn't really look like Mahmoud II tughra's.

Цитата: "Giobruno"​A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

​I've seen this coin before I submit my forum, The tughra's don't really look the same. I can't figure out why?

Цитата: "Giobruno"​A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

​I searched Numista and found that page too, but it's reverse lettering is quite different from Omar's coin.

@Omar
Have you had it tested for being gold? A coin having passed down your family for generations doesn't necessarily confirm it's authenticity; there are many stories of Americans bringing back "rare" Chinese dragon coins from WWII, only for their descendants to find out they are fake online decades later.

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Цитата: "Giobruno"​A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

​​I searched Numista and found that page too, but it's reverse lettering is quite different from Omar's coin.

​I figured out the weight (0.9 gram) and it's diameter (13.5 mm)

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​

Цитата: "Giobruno"​A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

​​I searched Numista and found that page too, but it's reverse lettering is quite different from Omar's coin.

​I knew that it wasn't a 100% match. It's the closest that we have here. May it be some variant not entered here yet?

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​@Omar
​Have you had it tested for being gold? A coin having passed down your family for generations doesn't necessarily confirm it's authenticity; there are many stories of Americans bringing back "rare" Chinese dragon coins from WWII, only for their descendants to find out they are fake online decades later.
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​I haven't tested that I didn't think that it was necessary. But if it is then I will do it in a few hours in some jewelry shop. And by the way you were right.. It's 1223 not 1323.

Цитата: "Giobruno"​

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​
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Цитата: "Giobruno"​A quick search on Numista using the words "ottoman 1223" and comparing the photos leads to this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98939.html

​​​I searched Numista and found that page too, but it's reverse lettering is quite different from Omar's coin.

​​I knew that it wasn't a 100% match. It's the closest that we have here. May it be some variant not entered here yet?

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should I enter it here?

Цитата ​should I enter it here?

​Wait until we properly identify it.

Цитата: "Giobruno"​

Цитата ​should I enter it here?

​​Wait until we properly identify it.

​I agree.

It's also quite possible that it's an unlisted variant of the coin you linked if the dimensions are so similar.

And @Omar, it's best to make sure anyway. Tell us the results when you have them.

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​

Цитата: "Giobruno"​
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Цитата ​should I enter it here?

​​​Wait until we properly identify it.

​​I agree.
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​It's also quite possible that it's an unlisted variant of the coin you linked if the dimensions are so similar.
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​And @Omar, it's best to make sure anyway. Tell us the results when you have them.

​I will right away. I have one last question.. Are such coins rare to be found or is just a regular old coin? Cause I'm trying to figure out it's value because I intend on selling it for the best price. Only if it's a valuable piece.

Цитата: "Omar_Jihad"​

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​
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Цитата: "Giobruno"​
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Цитата ​should I enter it here?

​​​​Wait until we properly identify it.

​​​I agree.
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​​It's also quite possible that it's an unlisted variant of the coin you linked if the dimensions are so similar.
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​​And @Omar, it's best to make sure anyway. Tell us the results when you have them.

​​I will right away. I have one last question.. Are such coins rare to be found or is just a regular old coin? Cause I'm trying to figure out it's value because I intend on selling it for the best price. Only if it's a valuable piece.

​I don't think it's worth that much in that condition. More than scrap for sure since scrap value is low but I doubt it's more than $100.

Цитата: "CassTaylor"​

Цитата: "Giobruno"​
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Цитата ​should I enter it here?

​​​Wait until we properly identify it.

​​I agree.
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​It's also quite possible that it's an unlisted variant of the coin you linked if the dimensions are so similar.
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​And @Omar, it's best to make sure anyway. Tell us the results when you have them.

​Well, I've tested it.. Unfortunately It's copper not gold..

Well, that confirms it's probably an imitation coin. Lots exist for Ottoman gold coins, so I'm not that surprised, sorry to say.