I have this pretty unusual (what I believe to be a) coin, with very little informations about it.
It is 13 mm, somewhere around 0.7 to 0.8 mg.
First, I thought it was a fake one or some sort of tribal belly dance coin you often find in North Africa. However, I saw the same one on eBay the other day. I contacted the owner who does not know its origin, but told me "it is gold". As you can see, they are very similar with few details
I really struggle to determine if either or not it is a real coin. In one hand: the calligraphy of the coin is terrible compare to similar coins made in the time (I can read the year 12XX on it); I have never seen this type of striated coins before. In another hand, I mean why not? Maybe Ottoman coins I don't know about?
Came across plenty of these tiny gold coins, they are very common and have quite a low value.
They are very small and struck on thin sheets of gold making the striking often look quite crude.
What is the provenance? How did you come by it?
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Hi @numisquare! I agree, it is definitely not a mint product. Hammered coinage for sure.
Hi @mohab. Well, I would agree but most of the people I encounter tend to say they are not sure. At this point, I just want to know what it is! :)
Hi @apuking! I bought it in France with a bunch of other North African coins a few years ago from someone. I will try to see If I can have jewelers' expertises it to determine if it is gold or not.
Usually, what was the purpose of the small gold coins you came across?
The toughra is incorrect. The mint is poorly written with the first ta being open. The mint name is not finished. The mint with the qaf and two ta is Constantinople. That is the main mint in Turkey and would not coin something as poor as this.
Interesting.
I don't see any holes or something that could make me think it just had a decorative purpose, however it seems to show some wear, so it probably circulates.
I see the date 1203 / 8 on the second coin but I agree with the other comments : it can't be a mint product.
I guess the engraver probably didn't know what he was writting (too many mistakes have been made on those "coins") : contemporary imitation ?
I'm wondering if it could be a French attempt to imitate local coins during the Napoleonic campain in Egypt and Syria
As many mentioned above there are a lot of incorrect things like the Tughra, the mint location written wrong and the font it self is weird. These were usually made to be thrown in weddings on the bride and groom and for decorations as others said, and of course they are not Gold and they are not coins.
Posted by Elfakhry on 4 Aug 2024, 11:00
This is a very rare coin and it is made of gold.
@Elfakhry please mention your source if you have any further information.
As many mentioned above there are a lot of incorrect things like the Tughra, the mint location written wrong and the font it self is weird. These were usually made to be thrown in weddings on the bride and groom and for decorations as others said, and of course they are not Gold and they are not coins.
Posted by Elfakhry on 4 Aug 2024, 11:00
This is a very rare coin and it is made of gold.
@Elfakhry please mention your source if you have any further information.
Post is over 5 years old and the OP hasn't been on for some time. My guess is that Elfakhry is a bot reviving an old post with nonsense and doesn't have a source and will never respond.
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but old coins are really easy to fake because their composition, materials are simple, and the art in them is simple to reproduce. Have you ever heard why someone always found a super expensive car in a barn, cave or some abandoned place where the car had all kinds of dust. You should go to Youtube and look for that clip showing how to make a new electric guitar look so old, the outside of wood looks like 100 years old, including the metal part of the guitar. 🙂
i found some with a collection passed to me after my grandfather passed, i think they are fake or replicas I'm trying to finding a specialist opinion with some other token/coins i cant identify.
I say it is rare and not fake only for one purpose, which is that the fake is not gold. This is my belief. What determines this is the type of metal used in the glue.
As many mentioned above there are a lot of incorrect things like the Tughra, the mint location written wrong and the font it self is weird. These were usually made to be thrown in weddings on the bride and groom and for decorations as others said, and of course they are not Gold and they are not coins.
Posted by Elfakhry on 4 Aug 2024, 11:00
This is a very rare coin and it is made of gold.
@Elfakhry please mention your source if you have any further information.
Post is over 5 years old and the OP hasn't been on for some time. My guess is that Elfakhry is a bot reviving an old post with nonsense and doesn't have a source and will never respond.
Do not underestimate or accuse anyone without justification
Thank you for your reply, generally old coins like this have been documented, and without proper source we can not consider them authentic. The sources you provided are not accurate nor professional, they are basically fake ads for click bate and not honest at all. What I mean by source is a numismatic/coin book or proper grading company saying this coin is legit. And your coins -in the last picture - I am sorry to tell you they are not authentic as well and let me explain why.
First, check the font and compare it to other coins minted in قسطنطينية , you will find no other coins with this font nor this abbreviation قسطنط
Second, check the date which should be the date of ascending the thrown in ottoman coinage. It is either 1203 or 1303 or 1302 . Only 1203 matches Sultan Selim III date of accession. And during his reign he did not use the arabic name قسطنطينية but rather اسلامبول check here
Finally if you are not convinced I see you are from Egypt, check with experts in Diana Market in downtown on Saturdays, they will tell you the same thing.
i found some with a collection passed to me after my grandfather passed, i think they are fake or replicas I'm trying to finding a specialist opinion with some other token/coins i cant identify.
Hello @Shafo3 , these are similar to the ones above, they are used for decorative purposes and are not coins.
