I have received this coin from my grandfather who is from Morocco. I do not have any history on it, but I was told in another forum that it might be a replica of an ottoman coin, but he was not able to explain why. Can anyone confirm whether this is case and why? does it have any value above that of its gold?
However, a jeweler has verified that the coin is made of 24k gold.
It's the same "text" on both sides, and it looks like crappy Arabic, so that would be a good reason to think it's fake. This is not a definitive answer yet, but it doesn't look good.
There are many Ottoman coins which look pretty crappy stylistically, I know, but usually it's the case with copper, not gold.
Цитата: "Camerinvs"It's the same "text" on both sides, and it looks like crappy Arabic, so that would be a good reason to think it's fake. This is not a definitive answer yet, but it doesn't look good.
There are many Ottoman coins which look pretty crappy stylistically, I know, but usually it's the case with copper, not gold.
It is indeed gold, this has been verified thanks for your suggestion, do you have any idea how i can get a closer answer to what I want - perhaps ask some experts, or?
Цитата: "Awadyassin"Hi,
I have received this coin from my grandfather who is from Morocco. I do not have any history on it, but I was told in another forum that it might be a replica of an ottoman coin, but he was not able to explain why. Can anyone confirm whether this is case and why? does it have any value above that of its gold?
However, a jeweler has verified that the coin is made of 24k gold.
Hello and welcome.
1. It is not a coin.
2. If You received it from grandpa, and it is from Moroco, then - yes, its an jewelery thing. And it is an imitation of that period coin of that region - most of all it looks like Ottoman Algeria coin.
3. " inscriptions are quaziArabic , and same from both sides - it means that the goal was not to make a coin forgery.
4. Such things used as mascot ( amulet) in Arabic countries. it was put in the babies bed, or it was used by women as routine jewelery.
Цитата: "Awadyassin"Hi,
I have received this coin from my grandfather who is from Morocco. I do not have any history on it, but I was told in another forum that it might be a replica of an ottoman coin, but he was not able to explain why. Can anyone confirm whether this is case and why? does it have any value above that of its gold?
However, a jeweler has verified that the coin is made of 24k gold.
Hello and welcome.
1. It is not a coin.
2. If You received it from grandpa, and it is from Moroco, then - yes, its an jewelery thing. And it is an imitation of that period coin of that region - most of all it looks like Ottoman Algeria coin.
3. " inscriptions are quaziArabic , and same from both sides - it means that the goal was not to make a coin forgery.
4. Such things used as mascot ( amulet) in Arabic countries. it was put in the babies bed, or it was used by women as routine jewelery.
best regards,
David
Hey David,
first of all thank you for welcoming me to the community, I look forward to learn much more about historical coins. And thanks for taking your time to reply :-)
Given your answer, do you know whether it has some historical value that adds to the total value of the 'coin' (except the value of its gold)?
And as far as I am concerned these 'coins' used for decoration and jewelry has holes in them, which is not the case for my coin, it would not e.g. be able to go into a chain or sewed into clothes.
I am really keen to know more about this 'coin' and its application and history, can you point me to some sources which can help me in that regard?
Цитата: "Camerinvs"It's the same "text" on both sides, and it looks like crappy Arabic, so that would be a good reason to think it's fake. This is not a definitive answer yet, but it doesn't look good.
There are many Ottoman coins which look pretty crappy stylistically, I know, but usually it's the case with copper, not gold.
Hmm I am not completely sure about that, I have looked genuine Ottoman coins up which have quasi-Arabic scripting to it. It is perhaps a bit risky to base a conclusion based on that.
Agree, but not in 19 century standard coins of ottoman Algeria, tunisia, and this region. And, even kn earlier coinage of middle ages, gold dinars always were made by nest engravers then copper and silver coins.
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regarding sources - sorry I dont have any sourxes about using these things as mascots , but I heared it from numismatic colleagues in my longtime experience.
best regards
D.
Цитата: "Dato Mikeladze"Agree, but not in 19 century standard coins of ottoman Algeria, tunisia, and this region. And, even kn earlier coinage of middle ages, gold dinars always were made by nest engravers then copper and silver coins.
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regarding sources - sorry I dont have any sourxes about using these things as mascots , but I heared it from numismatic colleagues in my longtime experience.
best regards
D.
It is always a pleasure to read your answers and get a share of your expertise. Can you perhaps elaborate for us non-experts in the field why you suspects it to be a replica of ottoman coins, it is due to the engraving of it? You mentioned 'nest engraving', it is the style of engraving you would expect from a genuine ottoman coin - and since the engraving on my coin does not have that specific engraving you deem it to be a replica. Is it correctly understood? Thanks for your patience and time. Br Awad
Цитата: "Camerinvs"It's the same "text" on both sides, and it looks like crappy Arabic, so that would be a good reason to think it's fake. This is not a definitive answer yet, but it doesn't look good.
There are many Ottoman coins which look pretty crappy stylistically, I know, but usually it's the case with copper, not gold.
Hmm I am not completely sure about that, I have looked genuine Ottoman coins up which have quasi-Arabic scripting to it. It is perhaps a bit risky to base a conclusion based on that.
Please read carefully. I wrote: "think" (not "conclude"), "not a definitive answer yet", and "usually". Did I conclude anything? No.
i just say, that based on my own experience , irs an imitation on north Africa ottoman coin.
why I think that it is not a coin
1. It is even not struck. It has a lot of signs that o
it was cast.
2. There is no even a word on Arabic. All these lines are just imitation of Arabic style of letrering.
3. There is no standard elements of islamic coin:
ضرب في
No date and mintaname.
why I think that it ia an imitatikn of the coin:
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1. It is made on coin style. It is roumd, it has outer dotted circle.
2.main field divides on several equal arts like on Algerian ottoman coin ( see Algerian Budju series.)
3. Quazi Arabic lines are sometimes look similar to real words, foe example ( Sultan"
thanks for your suggestion, do you have any idea how i can get a closer answer to what I want - perhaps ask some experts, or? 
