1912 Chinese Republic Cast 10 Cash Doubts

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I bought this coin around Christmas and I have a few doubts about its authenticity. It is a 1912 republican cash 10 cash coin.



There are a few things that bother me about the coin. It has a diameter of 26mm. the example given in Hartill is markedly bigger, with a diameter of 28mm. This isn’t too surprising as other specimens show that the diameter could vary, although my coin ranges towards the small size. Here are a few that I found:

29mm: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=110250
28.5mm: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=206004
28.3mm: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=221658
28.5mm: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=1664
26mm: http://www.yscoin.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_195&products_id=3463&zenid=3bp7retbpppejjl9h480qgic91

The bottom obverse character seems really crude, particularly when looking at the ‘x’ shape within the box. Additionally, the reverse characters seem squashed when compared to the other examples that I have listed. This is especially true of the 10 character which connects to the outer and inner rim of the coin. Most other examples depict this as being distinctly separate.



The most worrying feature of the coin is the edge. It is slightly rounded (difficult to make out in the photo). Chinese cash coins are supposed to have a flat edge as thousands of them would be bunched together on a square rod, allowing for the edge filling of many coins at once. Would a rounded edge (with visible file marks) not suggest that the coin’s edge has been individually filed down by hand? I have been unable to find any edge photos of these republican issue so I cant be certain that this was not the norm.

The seller seems trustworthy (old account without any negative feedback) and I have bought many other coins from him that don’t seem suspicious, so I brushed off these inconsistencies. Last night I was looking over some of my Chinese coins and noticed that two Song Dynasty coins I had bought from the same seller had a strong tempera paint smell (it brought back memories of my high school’s art classroom). It now seems fairly obvious to me that these coins have a fake patina. I rubbed a damp cotton bud against one of them and the paint came off. Both coins are very common, so I am not sure if they are real coins that have been given a fake patina to increase their appeal or if they are outright forgeries. The metal that shines through the paint is a brown colour which I think suggests it is of modern manufacture.

In light of this I am much more concerned about the republican coin and others that I have bought from the same seller.


Gaozong, Hartill 17.26

Shenzong, Hartill 16.199


What are your opinions on these coins? I’m probably going to request a refund and send them back.
Hello
What is the name of the seller Please
Hello
I know better Japanese coins and i'm starting to study Chinese one
i was looking to the past selling and this one is clearly a Fake

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japan-Tosa-Province-10-Momme-Pattern-ND-ca-1865-KM-Pn2-/333376885123?nma=true&si=yDqb7KmrkD%252FkMXjxVqfxOzfgp5w%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
On the hartill it' an extra rare coin
You can't start an auction at 0,99 with no reserve price when you know what coin is it
and he seems to know what he is selling every coin as a reference so he know what he is seliing so......
Цитата: "gros"​Hello
​I know better Japanese coins and i'm starting to study Chinese one
​i was looking to the past selling and this one is clearly a Fake

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japan-Tosa-Province-10-Momme-Pattern-ND-ca-1865-KM-Pn2-/333376885123?nma=true&si=yDqb7KmrkD%252FkMXjxVqfxOzfgp5w%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
​On the hartill it' an extra rare coin
​You can't start an auction at 0,99 with no reserve price when you know what coin is it
​and he seems to know what he is selling every coin as a reference so he know what he is seliing so......

​Thanks for having a look. It certainly doesn't add to my confidence. I'm still torn as the bulk of the coins seem to be fine, but I must stress that I'm no expert.
I'm going to return the Republican 10 cash and the Song coins with the paint 'patina'. I bought a number of other items from the seller that seem to be genuine. They are all common coins, but I know that even the cheap issues are still commonly forged. It might be worth just sending them all back to be on the safe side.

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