Is there expert for german groschens ?

Hello,

I would like to know wich coins is this:


Seller is saying it is Sachsen groschen, on numista it is I think this one:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces103893.html
or
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces109743.html

Is there somebody who can help me to idetify it ?

Thank you.

To me both look like the same coin type different coin dies were used but the differences are so minimal.