1901 H Hong Kong 1 Cent

Hello,

I was just entering some of my coins in the database and noticed that this particular year i have in Medal Allignment. It is listed in Coin Allignment. I was wondering is this is an error or if others have this coin in Medal Allignment as well.

Hi,

next time copy the numista link into your message, it makes so much easier for the rest of the world to go straight to the coin in question. Thanks.

Ole

Цитата: "awaidner11"​Hello,
​
​I was just entering some of my coins in the database and noticed that this particular year i have in Medal Allignment. It is listed in Coin Allignment. I was wondering is this is an error or if others have this coin in Medal Allignment as well.

​Everybody has those coins in medal orientation (as indicated here:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7071.html)

Ole

Sorry Ole, awaidner11 is talking about the 1901H coin and that's another type (Victoria): https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5657.html and there the coin page says "coin alignment".

Hi,

yes, that shows why the link to the coin is IMPORTANT, doesn't it

Ole

I have the 1899 1 cent coin as well and that particular year i have in coin alignment, so i dont question numista having the wrong information per the allignment information. I was just more curious on what others opinions would be and if they potentially had the same coin to verify that this is common or a different variety.

Цитата: "awaidner11"​I have the 1899 1 cent coin as well and that particular year i have in coin alignment, so i dont question numista having the wrong information per the allignment information. I was just more curious on what others opinions would be and if they potentially had the same coin to verify that this is common or a different variety.

​Here all my km4.n coins. Righmost column = Orientation, where "m" is medal and "c" is coin.


Ole

After seeing your data im guessing that this is just a Variation or even could be just medal Allignment for a few different years. Thanks Ole.

Цитата: "Sjoelund"​Hi,
​
​yes, that shows why the link to the coin is IMPORTANT, doesn't it
​
​Ole

​Yes indeed. It's so easy when members provide the link when they have questions about a certain coin. Unfortunately, too often it doesn't happen.

But back to topic, here are my KM# 4's:
1863 medal
1866 medal
1879 coin
1900H medal
1901H medal
and these are very consisting with Ole's findings, so I guess the "coin alignment" on the coin page is confusing. Some dates have medal alignment, some dates have coin alignment. I don't know yet if there are any dates with both coin and medal alignment.

Spot on the point. If it's not the same year, for me it's of no importance.

Ole

This discussion stopped in 2020, but it appears to never have been resolved…

 

Here are the alignments of my KM-4 coins:

 

1863: Medal

1865: Medal

1866: Medal

1876: Medal

1877: (KM 4.1 type): Coin

1901: Medal

1901H: Medal

 

If these results are combined with the results provided in 1920 by awaidner, sjoelund and Essor Prof we have alignment information for all of the KM-4 dates:

 

1863: Medal

1865: Medal

1866: Medal

1875: Medal

1876: Medal

1877: Coin

1879: Coin

1880: Coin

1881: Coin

1899: Coin

1900H: Medal

1901: Medal

1901H Medal

 

The above list is for circulation strikes only.

 

Apparently, the Numista webpage for this coin series back in 2020 only listed coin alignment for these coins (which wasn't correct based upon examination of actual coins from the series). The current version of the webpage now lists only medal alignment for these coins (which also isn't correct based upon examination of actual coins from the series). 

 

None of the alignment information provided on actual coins from this series by four different people indicated that any date in the series has both coin and medal alignment (though, admittedly, it is a small data set). Also, it isn't clear if the alignment changes based the KM number (the 1877 date includes KM 4.1 and KM 4.2 coins; the 1879 date includes KM 4.2 and KM 4.3 coins).

 

I suggest the alignment section of the web page for this coin series be changed to “varies depending upon date” (or something like that), and in the comments section, there could be a more detailed explanation (for example: Alignment: 1863-1876: Medal; 1877-1899: Coin; 1900-1901: Medal). 

@thoram2 you can make a change request covering all that yourself.

Yes.

 

And thank you for your contributions to the medal/coin alignment list for this coin series. 

 

I want to leave the topic open for a while in case anyone else is motivated to check their coins and comes up with something that contradicts the above. If there are no reported contradictions after a couple of weeks, I will put in a change request.