German Notgeld - pre-Weimar Republic notes - local monarchs.

The German Notgeld note listings for the pre-Weimar Republic should have the local monarchs themselves listed as well as Kaiser Wilhelm II;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_monarchs_in_1918 .

Of course, Kaiser Wilhem II was also King of Prussia.

Aidan.

Link an example please ?

@Compendium , here is an example from the Kingdom of Bavaria;

N#416113 .

King Ludwig III also needs addition, as he was the King of Bavaria from 1913 to 1918.

Aidan.

I would like an opinion from @Silberschatz and @katermurr 

Oh I see… As far as I'm concerned, I would certainly not add the king of Bavaria and even remove the emperor from those pages, so I let specialists confer indeed ^^

Hello,

A common, uniform currency has been used in the German Empire since 1873. The breakdown of issuers by country (Bavaria, Anhalt, etc) was made on a state administrative basis. I think the use of Kaiser Wilhelm II is correct and we should not add the representatives (kings, etc) of the federal states. If so, in the case of Notgeld, the local representative (Mayor, city/district administration) should have to be listed, which would get out of hand.

BCNumismatics

@Compendium , here is an example from the Kingdom of Bavaria;

 

N#416113 .

 

King Ludwig III also needs addition, as he was the King of Bavaria from 1913 to 1918.

 

Aidan.

What we do in this case with this coin N#1915

minted in 1913 (before WW1) with mintmark : D Munich, Germany (1158-date) ?

Ludwig III or Wilhelm II. ?

katermurr

BCNumismatics

@Compendium , here is an example from the Kingdom of Bavaria;

 

N#416113 .

 

King Ludwig III also needs addition, as he was the King of Bavaria from 1913 to 1918.

 

Aidan.

What we do in this case with this coin N#1915

minted in 1913 (before WW1) with mintmark : D Munich, Germany (1158-date) ?

Ludwig III or Wilhelm II. ?

Coins from 1 Pfennig to 1 Mark circulated throughout the whole German Empire.

It was those from 2 to 20 Mark that was left to be released by some of the various states themselves - including the Kingdom of Bavaria.

Of course, the Kaisers themselves were also Kings of Prussia as well.

Aidan.

The decision to issue the Notgeld was taken by the city/district. The money was only used inside the city. Like I said, in this case the right Ruling authority is the Mayor, city/district administration (I let the catalog admins evaluate the work).

It was those from 2 to 20 Mark that was left to be released by some of the various states themselves 

Do you have an expl? 

@katermurr , check this out;

https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/german-states .

https://www.allnumis.com/community-currencies-catalog/germany .

Aidan.

Hello Aidan,

the 2 links don't give me more information as I already have. 

I found for expl this coin N#20686 for Germany › German States › Saxony (Albertinian Line), Kingdom of • Mark (1872-1917)

The coin is linked to the “Deutsches Reich” (rev. side). All these coins are generally linked to the king, etc in this state. You have generally his head on the obv side. 
 

My point of view is as I said : 

- the “Ruling authority” for the Notgeld is not the king, etc. of the state but the city administration or Wilhelm II. 

- the spliting of notgeld by state>city was made based on the administration organisation of the ‘Deutschen Reich’. The Notgeld was tolerated by ‘Berlin’ and forbidden by ‘Berlin’ (RGBl. I, 693) (and not the kings of each state). 

- adding the city admin. is a lot of work ; adding the kings reflects the local representative but not the ‘ruling authorities’. The ruling authorities seems for me Wilhelm II. 

 Perhaps @Silberschatz  as historian could give his point of vue. 

Markus 

I would also argue to keep it either as “Wilhelm II” for all states or eliminate this parameter for Notgeld at all as neither the Emperor nor the local dukes were personally involved in the process of issuing Notgeld. Decision was made by the city government, but it's impossible and somehow useless to integrate thousands of (btw non-elected) majors to our database. 

Kaiser Wilhelm II was King of Prussia at state level.

Other monarchs such as King Ludwig III of Bavaria should be added as well.

Aidan.

Wilhelm was also the Emperor of the whole state, so he was in higher rank than the other local dukes.

His position was because Prussia was the dominant state in the Empire.

The other Kings also ruled their own states as well.

Aidan.